House oversight chair Comer says ‘6 or 7 Biden family members’ potentially involved in business sche

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Because in China and Chinese business dealings, the CCP wants to keep that money close to them. But this is par for the course in most international business transactions, even Ford, GM, and others.
     
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    Lobbying can be both corrupt and illegal. Impeachments don't have to be legal matters; they can be over matters of corruption. It's referred to as Legal Corruption.
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11127-020-00832-3
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Link?
     
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    For it to be illegal, it has to be foreign payments. But the SCOTUS has pretty much determined that giving money to lobbying efforts is an indication of free speech per Citizens United.
     
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    https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/14/politics/trump-hotel-spending-foreign-governments/index.html

    https://time.com/donald-trumps-suite-of-power/

    https://www.npr.org/2022/11/14/1136682162/foreign-officials-750-000-dollars-trump-hotel-dc

    All three links show that six foreign countries spent money at a business establishment that Trump directly owned. That part is incontrovertible. It may show a conflict of interest on Trump's part when that happened. And Trump may have received a "finder's fee" for those services in a form of a gift that he failed to report as required by law. The link to the failed reporting of gifts is below

    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-100-foreign-gifts-congressional-report-says/
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Nothing you posted supports your claim, "...foreign governments paid far above the FMV of hotel rooms and suites at that hotel."
     
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    Yet foreign contributions to politicians can be hidden through legal shell companies.
    https://www.opensecrets.org/news/20...oney-straw-donors-shell-companies-dark-money/
    The trick is to not get caught. But like the fentynal drugs confiscated at the border -- for each pill captured,, a thousand pass over.
     
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    $750k and lavish spending? LOL. What do you think a hotel or suite cost there? $1500 a night? The hotel prices at that hotel was about $325 a night. It takes a lot to spend $750k, a lot. And the hotel made millions off the requirest. The $750k is the direct
     
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    Sanders and Obama took illegal campaign contributions and they only got fined.

    There's definitely a double standard.
     
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    I don't know what it costs. But, you made a claim. You failed to support that claim, which means you're posting misinformation.
     
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    Yep, definitely. Politics can be a lucrative business. Republicans and Democrats in a way is a business arrangement where they've effectively locked out any competition from third Parties.
     
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    that is because we don't provide or require any information on who owns them with PO Boxes being a valid address. Democrats have tried to make a simple line change or two to say who owns the corporation and to not allow PO Boxes as the address of the company. But shell corporations can also be legitimate.

    Let me elucidate you in the fine craftsmanship in which I can protect my legal liabilities legitmately:

    I own Corporation X. Corporation X has 20 rental properties. Each rental property is an LLC taxed as a corporation, I can then subdivide that into another LLC in which the asset itself is owned while the bank account for the rental receipts is also owned by another LCC taxed as a corporation. I can then use the financial system of wire transfers to transfer those payments into anotherr LLC taxed as a corporation, say 90% of net receipts minus all expenses, to an international Corporation as a stand-alone, and then send the payments into the Corporation I own. Since this is a private firm, then access to the financials is limited and you would not know the difference whether it was a shell or not, But every example I gave after the initial corporation is a shell because of how I set it up. And that is legitimate.

    The key is foreign payments. It is unreasonable to think that people can spot a shell corporation. Most can't and it takes considerable forensic accounting to make that determination. So, if a foreign government or person uses shell corporations in the US and they are quite good at hiding the shell corporation, then there is no reason to suspect the payment is foreign at all, especially if the shell corporation is located in the US. That is why foreign payments are generally not allowed, but US payments are.

    For Fentynal, it is not just the US southern border, they can come through the mail, as a prescription drug, into the US from a foreign place and not one person would question that if the address is to what appears to be a doctor's office. Illegally manufactured fentanyl is manufactured in China, Mexico, and India. And it can come through the border, through the US mail, or even by sea. And if some illegal organizations here in the US have someone who knows chemistry, it can be manufactured even in the US. Or in other words, it is far worse than you thought. But fentanyl is also used in anesthesia and through a controlled environment at a hospital, for severe pain, like cancer.
     
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    You need to understand what it costs before you dismiss the claim entirely.
     
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    You need to learn how to support your claim, before making said claim. Otherwise, it's misinformation.
     
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    In summation - where there is a will for a foreign country to fill the pockets of politicians they will find a way. For the politicians receiving those funds it's a matter of "plausible deniability" in order to avoid serious investigation leading to prosecution.
     
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    I voted for Biden based on Biden saying he'd be an adult and talk of restoring morale character. That's the big deal to me
     
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    No it does not have anything to do with ANYONE's business in China. This is about the BIDEN acceptance of money from China. And no you cannot base any defense of it on anyone else including the Trump's.
     
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    What was the business in which they were engaged then? Why the convoluted transfers of the money directly in the Biden family bank accounts. Since when is business paid for in a 3 carat diamond?
     
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    What did Hunter bring to the other than his name? What successful business background? And yes by the time you make it to the board you generally have some experience in that field. So what was the business or service the Chinese got in return for the money?
     
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    Proof of what are you still denying it belong to Hunter and the emails are real?
     
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    What do you call the banking records and emails? Are you still denying the laptop is Hunter and the records are real?
     
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    This is about Biden's of whom we have confirmed 3 of the family the only question is who is the fourth and are they going to try and claim it is the daughter in law who was a school teacher and had nothing to do with the business? Is it really her or is it The Big Guy?
     
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    What else were they selling? What has Hunter admitted was the only thing he had to offer?
     
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    Why do you assume it was for something done after he left off and not before. Do you think the Chinese gave them the millions for nothing? Why do you assume The Big Guy did not receive and financial benefit when we have bank records showing the co-mingling of funds and Hunter admitted he was paying The Big Guys expenses? Why does it have to be constantly repeated to you?
     
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    He wasn't before and he isn't now.
     

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