I talked to my ex about the Trump situation and here's what she said

The extent and complexity of laws in the US is massive, and the laws in question here- moreso than most. Legal expert admit that most people in businesses of where there is much involvement with such regulations violate two or three everyday- neither knowing it or intending to do so.

So I'm going to say- that is Trump is prosecuted for these issue, all diligence must be brought to bear to prosecute all those is violation of any of these laws- especially, politicians.
The chances of there being any politician in office who has not made some mistake or crosses the line is so small that they would all be prosecuted. Fair is fair- or does that only apply when it serves your purpose? A vendetta is selective persecution. If it's not a vendetta- then there's a lot of catching up to do in the prosecution of democrats and liberal, right now.

I've been part of a private think working on ideas for congressional reform for more than a decade. One of our members is a PhD, university professor of political science. Another- a constitutional attorney.
They agree- virtually every person is politics is in the game because they are riding the draft created by somebody bigger, and shifting their positions and values to buy the support. Right now- that's politics.

But until the liberal/dem mental problem came about, there was little like what we have today.I don't give a damn about what ruler you want to measure the facts, and It's absolutely clear it dosen't match up to anything legitimate. It's the lefts double standard; part of every argument that any of them make. That makes it- garbage. Nonsense. A con job.

Come back when you have a legitimate standard of measure that you use equally on the entire picture. YOU are the person with the irrelevant argument, because supporting a vendetta that is obviously that and denying it... sends a character and credibility message, and I get it.

 

A chat board such as this does not convey emotion because it lacks both tone and tenor.

Any "tantrum" that you THINK that you are seeing is purely a figment of your imagination that is coming from YOUR inner voice. Nothing that I have said has been in anger even remotely. If anything, I was happily and eagerly pointing out his undeniable error. For that matter, I was happily pointing out your non-sequitur reply as well. Where you think that you are perceiving anger is as big of a mystery as your decision to jump into someone else's conversation by promptly changing the subject.

If you want to continue bickering aimlessly I will oblige for a little while, but for the life of me, I cannot understand why this is your desire.

 

Fine. I'm just emphasizing that people can comment on politics, obviously.

And, I think she agrees that issues of campaigns should not have any affect on the duties of our legal system.

Today, I see Republicans rallying together to suggest that Trump should not be subject to our law.

That is just plain STARTLING.

I realize that they have supported those who directly assaulted our democracy on Jan6. Still, I would have thought that Republicans would have respect for our legal system.

 

You're the one having a tantrum and bickering. I'm just not letting you twist my words.

 

All I can do is guess what she would say and it would probably be that legal issues and campaigns are two separate things unless a legal issue can be used in a campaign. She’s going to call me on Tuesday or Wednesday to nag me about a doctor appointment and I’ll try to hit her up for more of her thoughts.

A year or two ago I invited her to this board figuring she might have a lot to add and she responded with ‘cute.’ She’s not going to toss around opinions without some facts to back them up, plus she’s on the road too much. But if she decides to post here you’ll know because she will blast the system for what that system did to Sanders.

 

I don't know of a similarity between the Trump indictment and anything that went on with Sanders.

 

She’s pissed about the 2016 primary. She was a delegate in Philly for Sanders and she said the way sanders supporters were treated compared to how Clinton supporters were treated was like night and day.

 

I liked Sanders, too. Not exclusively, but ...

I agree he got the shaft, but isn't the bottom line that the party had to make a choice in who it was going to back?

This IS one of the serious problems with our system. We only allow 2 real parties. The majority of democratic countries have parliamentary systems, where one must demonstrate ability to govern before being prime minister. Thus there can be many parties. Sanders and Clinton could remain as viable candidates according to the will of THE PEOPLE rather than party central.

Frankly, I think Sanders was more electable than Clinton, as Republicans had been cultivating hate toward that name for DECADES. Plus, Trump couldn't use his gross misogyny and unbelievably childish name calling against Sanders, who is an actual adult. Trump might have had to address real issues!

 

What pissed her off, and I didn’t know about this and never followed up on reading about it, is the ways state primaries changed their delegate selection rules to favor Clinton. She said something along the line of, and this was years ago, that ties went to Clinton. Do you know about any of that because I sure don’t.

 

I don't know the blow by blow, but I'm pretty sure that happened. Both parties have used this technique to put a heavy finger on who their presidential candidate will be. They also control party conventions in a serious way. And, they have control of the campaign funding that the parties have. If you donate to the party, they get to spend that on whom they will. Plus, we now have major sources of funding where there is no record of where the money came from and the actions of those organizations can be guided by party central.

The affect of money on our elections is spectacular. Plus, it means that the primary job of elected officials is to raise money so they can stay in office. That means selling their office to the highest bidder.


Back to parties - parties have very few constraints on what they do. After all, having the federal government pass laws on what parties are allowed to do is just not going to happen.

I think a case can be made for our system of elections being opposed to democracy. We have active gerrymandering against minorities and the poor. We have Republicans making laws that give state officials the power to toss election results entirely!! We have the electoral system that is a TOTAL scam. We have Washington, DC having NO congressional representation, yet being more populous than two other states - a clear case of taxation without representation.

 

Sure thing ol' timer. Sure thing.

 

Finally we agree.

 

Trump kept Hillary out of the Whte House for which we should all be forever grateful, and remade the Supreme Court. But perhaps the most important thing he did was to teach Republicans how to fight. We may yet save our country from the vile Demcratic Party.

 

I talked to my ex about the Trump situation and here's what she said

I talked to my cat and he said me-WoW!

 

Surely you jest. There is no other person in America other than Trump that would have been charged for this. Let alone tried.

 

Wait, my posts need to be approved by you?

 

Yep, let's, at least, bankrupt Trump into not running for president again. You folks certainly don't know what authoritarian means, or, at least, being authoritarian against Trump is justified to you.

 

I agree with all but the last part. No one cares about facts that do not fall in line with their point of view.

 

Nope we are arguing that no Democrat would ever be prosecuted for what we have seen thus far.

 

John (?) Roberts comes to mind.....found "not guilty". I'd hope for the best.

 

Frankly from what I've seen thus far this will probably die before it ever goes to trial. And John Roberts is chief justice.

 

I'm sure, with this background of the Democrat party (below), that you can find some forgiveness and sympathy for the guy in this situation?


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The Democrat Sexual Misconduct List (Alphabetical Order by Last Name):
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Gerald Ackerman - Democrat MI May - In May 2000, convicted on 10 felony counts of criminal sexual conduct; sentenced to 18 to 38 years imprisonment, also 1 year for indecent exposure to a minor.
Brock Adams - Democrat WA Sen - Arrested for drugging, assault, and rape of a woman. (While married)
Sam Adams - Democrat OR May - Lied, but proven guilty to an affair with an 18-year old male intern.
Jim Bates - Democrat CA Rep - Forced by ethics committee to make a formal apology to the married female staffers he had made repeated sexual advancements towards.
Gary Becker - Democrat WI May - Arrested for soliciting sex of a minor (14 years old).
Rod Blagojevich - Democrat IL Gov - Among other things, also proven to have had an affair. (while married)
Andrew Bradshaw - Democrat MD May - Mayor of Cambridge, Maryland, Andrew Bradshaw, has been charged with 50 counts of distributing revenge porn.
Bill Clinton - Democrat Prsdnt - Cheated on wife with an intern
Gary Condit - Democrat CA Rep - Extramarital affair with Chandra Levy. (Woman was murdered, but not by him)
Marc Dann - Democrat OK Agn - In 2008, confessed to an affair with a state staff member. (while married)
Roosevelt Dobbins - Democrat AK Rep - Convicted of fondling a 16-year old while in office.
Doyle Dennis - Democrat OR May - Oregon Mayor who donated to Joe Biden’s campaign and collaborated with the Obama administration has been arrested on child pornography charges.
John Edwards - Democrat NC Sen - Extramarital affair with staff member, while wife was critically ill with breast cancer.
Steven Effman - Democrat FL Rep - Admitted in 2003 to inappropriate relationships with three divorce clients; (While married)
Silvio Failla - Democrat NJ Asm - Was shot and killed when a prostitute he solcicited tried to rob him with the help of her pimp.
Bob Filner - Democrat CA May - Filner has been accused of multiple cases of sexual harassment. Although he denies these claims, he admitted to numerous sexual advances to these same individuals. (While married)
Barney Frank - Democrat MA Rep - Hired a male prostitute, ran a prostitution ring from his own home.
Kerry Gauthier - Democrat MN Rep - In August of 2012, he had sex with a 17 year old boy in a public bathroom. Admitted it and agreed to not run for re-election.
David Giles - Democrat WA Rep - Convicted in June 2000 of child rape. (While Married)
Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat OR May - In 2004, confessed to an affair with a 14 year old girl. (while married)
Gary Hart - Democrat CO Sen - Had an affair in 1988 with then model Donna Rice. (while married)
Wayne Hays - Democrat OH Rep - Sexual Acts with secretary. (While married)
Gordon Hintz - Democrat WI Rep - Arrested Feb. 10, 2011 for violating a City of Appleton ordinance of touching or offering to touch sexual parts.
Allan Howe - Democrat UT Rep - 2 counts of solicitation of a prostitute. (While married)
Daniel Inouye - Democrat HI Rep - Charged with sexual harassment against numerous women on his staff. (While married)
Ted Kennedy - Democrat MA Sen - Admitted to womanizing while married from 1967-1981. Confirmed relations with Mary Jo Kapechne.
Kwame Kilpatrick - Democrat MI May - Solicitation of multiple prostitutes, obstruction of justice, 2 felonies, held multiple sex parties at tx payer expense.
Vito J. Lopez - Democrat NJ Asm - Stripped of his committee chairmanship and censured after he sexually harassed two women who worked in his district office.
Robert L. Leggit - Democrat CA Rep - Fathered two illegitimate children by a Congressional secretary, then had an affair with another woman who was an aide to Speaker Carl Albert.
Tim Mahoney - Democrat IL Rep - Cheated on wife with a staff member, and then paid her $121,000 to keep quiet.
Eric Massa - Democrat NY Rep - Resigned from the house over allegations from the Ethics panel. Admitted to sexual language / misconduct to a staffer.
Jim McGreevey - Democrat NJ Gov - Extramarital homosexual affair with his homeland security advisor.
Wilbur Mills - Democrat AK Rep - Solicitation and sexual misconduct with a prostitute. (While married)
Justin Moed - Democrat IA Rep - Maintained sexting relationship with Sydney Leathers, purchased gifts for her, etc. Apologized to constinuency. (While married)
Paul Morrison - Democrat AK Agn - Attorney General, confessed to an affair with addministrative staffer. (while married)
Joseph Morrissey - Democrat VA Rep - Had an affair with his 17 year old receptionist and impregnated her. (while married)
Gavin Newsom - Democrat CA May - San Fran Mayor, In 2007, confessed to an affair with his secretary, Ruby Rippey. (while married)
David Patterson - Democrat NY Gov - Numerous extramarital affairs, confessed after getting elected and sworn in.
Paul Patton - Democrat KY Gov - Confessed to an affair in 2002. (while married)
Mel Reynolds - Democrat IL Rep - 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16 year old.
Fred Richmond - Democrat NY Rep - Arrested in 78 for soliciting sex with a 16 year old (also tax evasion)
Charles Robb - Democrat VA Rep - Cheated on wife (Lyndon Johnson's daughter) with Tai Collins (Miss Virginia).
Gus Savage - Democrat IL Rep - Fondled an under age peace corp volunteer while on a business trip.
Harold Scott - Democrat MI Rep - Convicted on rape charges and sentenced to prison in 1988 (While married)
Derrick Sheperd - Democrat LA Sen - Arrested for solicitation of a stripper w/ tax payer money.
Eliot Spitzer - Democrat NY Gov - Solicitation and sexual misconduct with a prostitute. (While married)
Gerald Springer - Democrat OH May - Admitted to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor. (While Married)
Gerry Studds - Democrat MA Rep - Censured for sexual relations with an underage male page.
Antonio Villaraigosa - Democrat CA May - LA Mayor, confessed to an affair in 2007 with a news reporter. (while married)
Sol Wachtler - Democrat NY Jud - In 1993, he was sentenced to 15 months in prison for extortion in connection with his harassment of an ex-lover.
Anthony Weiner - Democrat NY Rep - In 2011, he confessed to tweeting / e-mailing innapropriate photos to a college girl. (while married)
Bob Wise - Democrat WV Gov - In 2003, had an affair with a state government staffer.
Patrick Wojahn - Democrat MD May - In 2023, charged with 40 counts of possession of child exploitative material and 16 felony counts of distributing child pornography.
David Wu - Democrat Or Rep - In 2011, had an affair with a minor, and friend of a campaign contributor (while married). He resigned from Congress.
John Young - Democrat TX Rep - Increased salaried staffer after sexual affair. (While married)


* Note: This list only includes Presidents, Senators, Congressman, Mayors, Governors, Attorney Generals, and Judges that have either confessed or been charged with a crime.
Unlike other lists created by Democrats showing Republicans, we have a very strict requirement that the individuals in question have either confessed or been convicted
of a crime. More specifically, this list does not include duplicates, fake names, and fake individuals. All situations listed in this document have been independently
verified for their accuracy and truth. This list does not contain home-makers, protestors, religious individuals, political activists, stay-at-home-moms, or people who
simply vote for a particular party.

 

John Edwards and you are now dragging the your own goal posts to a different place. That will fail as well. No way Bragg brings this without some strength to the charges. More likely a plea agreement of sort.

 

Patently ridiculous. Bragg ran on jailing Trump he would have tried to make old parking tickets a felony if that was all he had.

 

Again, another deflection and goal move after my example destroyed the first claim of yours which I quoted. Full gallop yet?