Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law...

I have no clue what gave you the idea that that was my point. No! My point is explained in full in the OP and it has NOTHING to do with any "freedoms".

But that's not relevant. I'm more interested in your answer to the question I made.

The what???? Who cares! Are you going to avoid answering the question? You said you wanted Trump to be convicted...

WHY?

Simple question.

 

Hahah... you're right, it does.

 

The DOJ has cases against Trump that are way worse than this one. Why spend energy in something that will get him in prison for a few years, when they can get him for life?

 

You didn't answer my question. They didn't charge him with what Bragg did because of insufficient evidence. Is Bragg smarter than them?

 

I'm trying to understand why you're asking it. Literally the very message you were responding to already had the answer to it. Here is a copy/paste, literally the answer to the question, where I say... "I hope Trump is convicted..."

BECAUSE

"... this will blast wide-open the door for fundraising, and it will literally ensure that he's elected president in 2024. There seems to be this idea among Democrats that if Trump is convicted, he will no longer be allowed to run for President... which, maybe you can help me... as a current Democrat, where this comes from? I see nothing in the Constitution that states this."

I thought that's pretty clear, but if it wasn't I'll try to really spell it out for you.

I want Trump to win, and with a conviction, it will absolutely improve his support. It also opens the doors now for us to convict Democrats without being looked upon as the bad guy. The Democrats opened this door, and it will never be closed again. I think you know this too, and at the end of the day, you don't need to say it here, but I'm sure most Democrats are thinking to themselves... "Oh ****, this isn't going to end well."

My personal opinion, you're not really good at this... you don't seem to have a firm grasp of what, or why you believe what you believe. You seem to be one of the most vocal of the Democrats here, and probably assume you have some level of intellect, but clearly are just as nuts as some of the other orange-averse people on here.

 

The problem is not that you watch it. It's that you BELIEVE it. Despite the fact that it has been adjudicated MULTIPLE times to be false. Maybe you do watch North Korean TV. But that's not a problem. The problem is when you start believing that KJU is the savior of the world to whom the U.S. bows down to (which may have been true during the Trump administration, but not anymore)

You asked what I would say to the judge, and I told you what I would say. I have a closed mind about many things. I have a "closed" mind about the Earth revolving around the Sun, terrorists attacking the WTC and that Humans evolved from primates. Having an open mind is not the same as having a hole in your head (Robert Heinlein)

Now... besides the distraction... what do you have to say about my arguments?

That's not the point. Did you complain about it with the same vehemence you do now? Especially considering that there is AMPLE evidence that Trump is a criminal.

It would have been more honest if you said I was dishonest. "Prejudiced" means that somebody makes a judgement before knowing the facts. I have NOT done anything like that. Every single thing I have said is based on FACTS. And I have SHOWN those facts in every thread in which I have dealt with any accusation against Trump. Read my sig!!!! There are many threads in which I show the evidence. If you have any questions about ANY accusation, all you have to do is quote me, and ASK.

But you won't do that because you are just caught in the Trump dogma that demands that you don't believe (as commanded by your orange idol) to not believe anything you hear with your own ears, or see with your own eyes.

So, in your case, it's BOTH dishonesty and prejudice. Prejudice because you don't say WHAT it is you are challenging me about. And dishonesty because you PROJECT.

 

Ohhh.... So the obvious conclusion is that we shouldn't prosecute Trump because being a criminal is "human nature".

You can live by as many axioms as you want. But if you don't live by that ONE (don't be criminal) you need to be in prison.

Right. The people who govern us. The crimes those people commit tend to affect more of us.

Did you have a point to make that has to do with the topic of this thread?

 

It was painful watching him have utterly know idea what you were saying despite it being painfully obvious what your point was. Yikes.

 

I have no idea. I didn't answer because... who cares. Smarter or not he is likely to be the first one to get Trump in prison.

I think it's very smart to let state prosecutors get as many charges as they can in. I am still not completely sure that there is not some sort of "self-pardon" that Trump left sealed somewhere and that could get him off the hook on Federal charges during his presidency. I find it so unbelievably dumb of him to not have done that. So this, plus the Deutsche Bank deal, plus the Georgia affair,... and some others... could keep him in prison while courts sort out whether he could self-pardon or not. IF such self-pardon exists... which we don't know.

Oh! Except the Mar-a-lago documents he stole. Those would be crimes for which he would not have been able to pardon himself.

 

My OPINION is that Trump is a con artist that does not care one iota about anyone (uses them for his own benefit). My OPINION is that Trump has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity and is the worst type of a person anyone can be. My OPINION is that on top of what I just said, Trump is incompetent, meaning that he is not smart enough to be a successful conman, which at least would earn the respect of those that value results.

My OPINION is that Trump is the worst thing that could ever happen to the U.S. I BELIEVE his presidency will end up making our nation go down into the gutter.

As far your opinion that OPINIONS are worth less than a cup of coffee, I think you are 100% wrong. The reality is that Trump lost the last election to a man that is far less than most people are, given that Biden is old and has never been much of anything. As such. I believe negative OPINIONS about Trump was what caused his demise.

Bottom line is that the majority is what rules in the U.S. (according to our Constitution) and most of the time people win or lose in the U.S. based on OPINIONS and not on facts (sad reality).

Whether this (Trump's guilt or innocence) is proven in the courts is not important. As long as people BELIEVE this (what I mentioned above) about Trump, he will lose and likely carry all those that BELIEVE in him down to the gutter.

That is my OPINION. More importantly, I am NOT alone in this opinion, given that 77 million Americans voted against Trump in November 2020. That is a whole lot of opinions that match mine.

 

Thank you for your valuable opinion. I promise to give it all of the weighty and due consideration it's a richly deserves.

 

You have GOT to be kidding me. You want him convicted because you think that will get him elected President?

Un-believable!

You claim to be a Democrat who wants Trump elected?

Nothing in the Constitution says that. But it will be VERY difficult to run from prison. Especially against a sitting President. It would give him an excuse to avoid debating Biden but...still...

Anyway... this is too insane to be taken seriously or waste any more time on it

Thanks anyway...

 

Consider that in the 2020 election, 77 million people voted against Trump. Evidently, my opinion is shared by the majority of Americans. It is the difference between winning or losing. You enjoy being on the losing side of opinions?

 

So you believe the most Americans ever in history voted for a guy who hid in his basement and has oatmeal for brains?

 

Exactly. I say, in my opinion, Trump is guilty. . Someone replies: Trump is innocent until proven guilty.

Answer, maybe in a court of law, but in the court of public opinion, opinions are acceptable, which is why it is called 'the court of public opinion".

Funny how some folks do not understand that!

 

What I believe is that people by nature always try to vote for the best of the options, even when both are bad. As such, the fact that Biden won the election should be proof of just how BAD Trump looked to most.

 

It's funny how some folks don't seem to understand that the court of opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

You can have a million people that are wrong about something and that doesn't make it right.

The only thing that actually matters is the ruling in a court of law.

So you and all of your buddies think the man is guilty and you don't even have to see the evidence.... Do you think it amounts anything except you and your buddies have an opinion?

 

The reality of life is than more often than not, it is not the law that decides something. It is money and power. How many guilty mafia bosses, tyrants, autocrats, leaders of countries and moneyed people have gotten away with what they were doing?

Throughout history, opinion in your favor is more powerful than the law. Majority of opinion-in-your-favor is power!

You keep saying that opinion is worthless, I prefer opinion-in-my-favor than the law. Heck, even in a jury case, all one needs to go free is have ONE person have a different opinion than the other 11 jurors and you are innocent of the charges.

In this case, Trump has two things going against him: 1) the majority think he is guilty and 2) he is guilty. That is a powerful combo.

You evidently like to be on the losing side. Do you actually believe that Trump is worthy of your support?

 

I find it funny that you think I am "supporting" Trump. I have said multiple times that I think DeSantis would make a better president.

Just because I'm not consumed with Trump hate does not mean that I'm in love with the man.

But I don't think that he has done anything worse than any other politician in Washington. He just has The misfortune to a pissed off the rest of them and they're just as guilty as him if not more.

Look at all these slimy bastards in congress with their insider trading for decades. They get paid $185,000 a year but within a matter of years their multimillionaires. Do you think they're just Lily white and they're not guilty of anything?

 

Nope, they voted AGAINST TRUMP.

 

Then why in holy f*ck are you here dispensing your opinions?

What a meaningless statement.

 

Besides, with a fecal-evacuating-mouth like Trump's, the basement is a good strategy. You know the old saying, 'gave a man a rope, and he'll hang himself'.

Just let Trump talk, and people will know he's crazy, and vote for Biden. Won't matter where Biden hangs out at.

And that is why Biden won. Blacks chose Biden, and the anti-trump independents put him in office.

 

Because I have every right to do the same thing that you are doing but I know that it doesn't amount to anything but expressing my opinion.

Did you know that expressing your opinion doesn't amount to anything but expressing your opinion as well?

 

Do you care to actually use your own words or are you now replying on a computer program to do your debating for you?

 

Good attempt to change the subject when you can't debate the issues I brought up..