AI 'godfather' Geoffrey Hinton warns of dangers as he quits Google

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  1. Grey Matter

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65452940

    This is absolutely fascinating, isn't it?

    Chat GPT has already shown / proven that being exceptionally articulate may not be the measure of intelligence it has long been considered to be over the course of human history.

    Or, maybe being exceptionally articulate and well-informed is absolutely a measure of intelligence.

    I expect it is simply a fact that super-intelligence will breakthrough sooner rather than later and that all of the sci-fi scenarios depicting it as a bad thing will irrevocably come true.

    Easy enough because there is absolutely no possibility that humans would let a machine tell them how to live, would they?

    Curious isn't it. If you were 17 and ChatGPT'ed "How do I become rich beginning now when I am 17 with zero net worth"

    Here's your answer:

    Meh, nothing quite new synthesized in this advice, is there?
     
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    Fascinating is an understatement. This is transformative technology that will likely change society orders of magnitude more than biden or trump could dream of.
     
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    Fascinating. I think AI is overrated. Without a soul it's just a hunk of circuits.

    @Grey Matter looks like you're on the fence about the "AI threat"
     
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    I really think it will progress. I don’t think AI will stay within its programming as it does.
     
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    AI is going to be a real game changer, even software development is going to be affected by AI.

    Pair it up with some CASE tools, and coding will be done via AI.
     
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    Soon we will all be living in PODS of pink goo in a comatose state as the machines harvest us as an energy source much like a battery. They will feed us a false reality to blind us from the real and to immerse us in an imaginary world of The matrix.

    For any of those of you not familiar with the movie The matrix that is the gist of it.

    They often say that yesterday's science fiction becomes today's reality ..... Better hope that movie doesn't come to pass.... But perhaps it already has??
     
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  7. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah, that one statement was not real clear I suspect,

    "Easy enough because there is absolutely no possibility that humans would let a machine tell them how to live, would they?"

    My loosely played logic on this is that it will certainly happen that some form of program will develop that will allow these chips to far and away exceed any one human's ability to process information. Whether or not a consciousness goes along with it or not will very likely be besides the effects on society. If it can associate all the parameters of global commerce and so forth for example, and with the stock market being an example of a system we currently can't specifically predict the future state of, well, what if this program is equipped with some sort of way to synthesize algorithms and test them and redevelop them rinse and repeat? This stuff is already happening and has been for a long time, but once enough work is put into this effort that a program can synthesize math models on its own to go along with all of the data already available about everything everywhere all at once, well, maybe if they name it Atman-Brahmin, or just as scary, call it Unity or something creepy like this, then, woe-be-unto the wet work creatures of the Earth. Hahaha. Or, as W would say, Bring It On. We shall see, maybe...

    Anyway, I guess where I was going with that was that this AI, however it shapes up, might have some algos in play that could cause bad results when its directives aren't followed.
     
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  8. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    Wow!
    Amazing!

    I tried this query,

    windows win32 paint code wrapper to draw a graph

    And it built me a wrapper!

    This is actually super helpful as building this sort of framework is super tedious for me given that I've not coded Win32 for a long long time, but I am seriously considering working on my old distillation program.

    #include <Windows.h>
    LRESULT CALLBACK WndProc(HWND hwnd, UINT msg, WPARAM wParam, LPARAM lParam);
    int WINAPI WinMain(HINSTANCE hInstance, HINSTANCE hPrevInstance, LPSTR lpCmdLine, int nCmdShow) {
    const char* CLASS_NAME = "My Window Class";
    WNDCLASS wc = {};
    wc.lpfnWndProc = WndProc;
    wc.hInstance = hInstance;
    wc.lpszClassName = CLASS_NAME;
    RegisterClass(&wc);
    HWND hwnd = CreateWindowEx(
    0, // Optional window styles.
    CLASS_NAME, // Window class
    "My Graph", // Window text
    WS_OVERLAPPEDWINDOW, // Window style
    // Size and position
    CW_USEDEFAULT, CW_USEDEFAULT, CW_USEDEFAULT, CW_USEDEFAULT,
    NULL, // Parent window
    NULL, // Menu
    hInstance, // Instance handle
    NULL // Additional application data
    );
    if (hwnd == NULL) {
    return 0;
    }
    ShowWindow(hwnd, nCmdShow);
    MSG msg = {};
    while (GetMessage(&msg, NULL, 0, 0)) {
    TranslateMessage(&msg);
    DispatchMessage(&msg);
    }
    return (int)msg.wParam;
    }
    LRESULT CALLBACK WndProc(HWND hwnd, UINT msg, WPARAM wParam, LPARAM lParam) {
    HDC hdc;
    PAINTSTRUCT ps;
    RECT rect;
    switch (msg) {
    case WM_PAINT:
    hdc = BeginPaint(hwnd, &ps);
    GetClientRect(hwnd, &rect);
    // Draw the graph
    MoveToEx(hdc, 0, rect.bottom / 2, NULL);
    LineTo(hdc, rect.right, rect.bottom / 2);
    MoveToEx(hdc, rect.right / 2, 0, NULL);
    LineTo(hdc, rect.right / 2, rect.bottom);
    EndPaint(hwnd, &ps);
    break;
    case WM_DESTROY:
    PostQuitMessage(0);
    break;
    default:
    return DefWindowProc(hwnd, msg, wParam, lParam);
    }
    return 0;
    }
     
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    Did you try that out. I haven't touched Windows C++ in awhile now.
     
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    Not yet but it looks like it will work. I spent quite a few hours custom coding Win32 paint functions around 98 & 99.

    Ah, let me try it, thank you!

    Nope, VS 2022 doesn't like it,

    Severity Code Description Project File Line Suppression State
    Error (active) E0513 a value of type "const char *" cannot be assigned to an entity of type "LPCWSTR" ChatGraph D:\Work\C Files\ChatGraph\ChatGraph.cpp 11
    Error (active) E0167 argument of type "const char *" is incompatible with parameter of type "LPCWSTR" ChatGraph D:\Work\C Files\ChatGraph\ChatGraph.cpp 17
    Error (active) E0167 argument of type "const char *" is incompatible with parameter of type "LPCWSTR" ChatGraph D:\Work\C Files\ChatGraph\ChatGraph.cpp 18
    Warning MSB3061 Unable to delete file "D:\Work\C Files\ChatGraph\x64\Debug\ChatGraph.exe". Access to the path 'D:\Work\C Files\ChatGraph\x64\Debug\ChatGraph.exe' is denied. ChatGraph D:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\2022\Community\MSBuild\Current\Bin\amd64\Microsoft.Common.CurrentVersion.targets 5599
    Warning Access to the path 'd:\work\c files\chatgraph\x64\debug\chatgraph.exe' is denied. ChatGraph D:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\2022\Community\MSBuild\Microsoft\VC\v170\Microsoft.CppClean.targets 77
    Error C2440 '=': cannot convert from 'const char *' to 'LPCWSTR' ChatGraph D:\Work\C Files\ChatGraph\ChatGraph.cpp 11
    Error C2664 'HWND CreateWindowExW(DWORD,LPCWSTR,LPCWSTR,DWORD,int,int,int,int,HWND,HMENU,HINSTANCE,LPVOID)': cannot convert argument 2 from 'const char *' to 'LPCWSTR' ChatGraph D:\Work\C Files\ChatGraph\ChatGraph.cpp 15

    typical microsquish, let me see if my override casts work on the string problem....

    ah, they did, curious why the title bar is chinese though, that seems a bit odd and unexpected
     
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    It's the advice I'd have given.. Although, most of the young today will not like it much :(
     
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    I say the LP types, and those are old. But that goes to show what it is capable.

    That just shows what it can do and it is in its infancy.
     
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    This is really the problem, being that this is in its infancy. Errors will be corrected and the fear being how fast. What will it be capable of in one year, or even 10 (AI programs in general; there are so many and some we don't know about yet). I have seen a beer commercial generated by AI that seems to be a cluster f-, but how long will it take to correct these errors in its infancy? Its not completely off base on its first attempt.


    We have already seen examples for what they are worth in art and writing, this one from the writers guild yesterday.

    For better or worse they will have to deal with the fact, and it is a great tool for people who have a good imagination but lack the skills to see it happen. So people who are not good writers can use AI as a crutch if they have a good story idea to make it happen. People who cant draw or paint can use AI to create art now. People who cant code but have good ideas can have AI write that code for them. Even music is quickly being crept in on. They are great tools but will change things in the future as far as creativity and people ability to quickly produce it.

    Sucks because lots of young and old people make good money doing some of these tasks, but with powerful tools anybody can do them. (AI art has already won competitions, people on the side have made illustrated books for example.) Coding will not be as lucrative if AI is a tool anybody can use to code with only an idea behind what they want to program.

    Will be interesting to see how far AI can progress in say 10 years, could be creeping into areas you would never think. I don't think anyone thought the arts would be the first place that would be so threatened, i did'nt. Never saw a sci fi that started that way that i am aware of.
     
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    People will always use technology for nefarious reasons, companies will do it to increase profits, even now software development has gone gig work, with some exceptions. Just yesterday, some girl got hit with an AI picture of her nude.

    It will become necessary to learn AI.
     
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    Young kids growing up with it will dominate that. Already lots of reports of ChatGPT being used by kids in school to write papers for them, and I am sure they will find the limits they can use the tech to get out of doing school and college work. They have the time, young ambition, curiosity and imagination to get a lot out of new technologies. I still think getting out of school work will be enough motivation for them to dip their feet in this at a young age.
     
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    They are and have developed tools to check for AI plagiarism. This is a game changer. I did an audit of an AI course about 18 months ago and wish to go back and learn some more. I already know about the math behind neural nets.
     
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    I would not know where to start with using AI tools in the workplace. Totally alien to me.

     
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    Yeah. that's real close to what I thought too, until a couple of guys at work put it to work and it worked.
    So, I had to check it out, but, my laziness far exceeds my curiosity, but I may try it out a bit more from time to time, you know, as long as it let's me.....
     

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