Trump the only living president NOT descended from slavers

So?

 

Germans did not participate in slavery. They have got their colonies in late 19th century when slavery was already abolished in Europe and United States.

 

This is flatly untrue. There were, indeed, slaves in Germany. If you want to claim that, "Well, Germany wasn't really a country yet," that's fine, but that's dodging. You are still stuck trying to argue that no one in Germany had ANCESTORS who owned slaves.

 

Of course, there were some slaves in "Germany" but their participation in African slave trade was minimal.
So it is highly likely that Trump is 100% clean and no Trump's family mebmber participated in slave trade.

 

Which doesn't even remotely address what I asked or address how it is related to this conversation.

 

One thing to bear in mind about slavery is that, for millennia, it was how societies were built and maintained. There is a certain economic reality that menial laborers cannot be paid too highly, because what they individually produce is simply not valuable enough. This is why we have cheap foreign labor and cheap immigrant labor today; it has basically supplanted slavery and allowed us to carry on under a delusion that slavery was abolished. In reality, we have simply renamed it, made it less visible and, fortunately, done away with any concept of people owning other people as property. The trappings have changed but the basic dynamic continues. Also historically, slavery existed in many different forms. In Germany and throughout the rest of the world, rather than having the kind of slavery we had as an institution and normally think about in the Americas, there were serfdom and other forms, such as indentured servitude.

The legal statuses and definitions have changed throughout the ages, but the fundamental reality of forcing people to work for little more than basic sustenance has remained largely the same from ancient times to the present. The only way slavery in all its forms could ever truly be abolished is if we could replace menial laborers with machines, things that do not think and feel, and therefore cannot be slaves because they have no rights and no need of rights.

 

You never attacked Trump over Russia collusion?

 

They had to keep up the illusion that The United States was the only country responsible for slavery.

 

I've only criticized him for what was known to be true, e.g. when he sidled up to Putin and expressed his faith in what Putin told him about Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

 

Turned out that Putin told the truth. Pisses you off?

 

That he did not.

I know that President Toddler's behavior pissed a lot of people off, including the late Senator McCain, and rightly so.

 

Not really, since neither I, nor the California Commission which studied the idea & gave the state its recommendations, has favored this concept. Rather, any compensation-- and I am against individual checks, but instead think remedial steps should be taken by government, to address the lingering legacies of both slavery & Jim Crow-- was based, in the Committee's recommendation, on continued injustices-- namely Redlining and over-policing of predominantly black areas (thanks to Redlining)-- perpetrated upon the very individuals who would be collecting those proposed checks. IOW, even if we get a pass for slavery, we have plenty of offenses against black people, just since the false promises of the Reconstruction Amendments, of equal treatment, for blacks, under the law.

 

Germans were by and large not involved in the trans Atlantic so-called trade.

 

So you're stating that Biden is descended from slavers?

That's quite a bold statement!

 

So what? You do realize slavery was legal and practiced in 80% of the world’s countries in 1800, well over 50% in 1865. Slavery was the norm since man stood up and began walking on two legs until man began and became enlighten beginning in the 1600’s. Mostly in the 1700’s. It’s true, as Americans we pay attention to what happens or happened here and not the rest of the world. Fact is slavery was around, live and well in many countries after 1865, Niger didn’t make slavery illegal and a crime until 2003, Mauritania did the same in 2007. Supposedly, slavery is now a crime, illegal in all the countries of the world today. But defacto slavery still exists and is still practiced in some countries, although illegal.


What are you trying to point out or do? Place the sins of the father on the son or the grandson or the great grandson or the great, great grandson or however many greats it takes. No one alive today was a slave holder or was a slave. That should be the end of it. Trump is an obnoxious, uncouth, rude person regardless of his family’s background. That in my book says it all.

 

Slavery in USA is still legal, it is written into law that slaves are permissable in USA. It is a very profitable and widespread practice all over USA.

 

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment - section 1, Thirteenth Amendment.

 

Imprisonment isn't involuntary servitude. Those convicts intentionally made the decisions that led to their violations of the law.

 

Descended from slave OWNERS.

 

I'm sure the news will be wall to wall "But if Trump could have owned slaves, he would have!"

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