Are are American students struggling with math?

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  1. Bullseye

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    Which is why there are free/low cost meals provided by the schools. The biggest factor in school performance is parental support; and please don't trot on the "mom and dad(if present) work tree jobs a day" blather. millions of immigrants and low income parents have managed to educate their children and set them on successful life paths. Some didn't even speak English when they arrived.
     
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    If you think the testing going on today is anything like what you experienced then you have no idea what is going on.
     
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    I took a standardized test to get a drivers' license. I took a standardized test to get into the U.S. Navy. I took a standardized test when I applied for a job with a major company. My wife took a standardized test when she applied for her cosmetology license. Nothing wrong with standardized testing.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn't everyone in your class take the same test? That's a form of standardization. Same with exit exams.
     
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    You did them every year we did them every two years. And yes that is the Iowa battery of test for grade school. They started doing them every year back in the eighties because American kids seemed to be falling behind. And of course it did no good because the people on the front lines were unwilling to admit that the changes they had embraced were abject failures.
     
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    30 years of decline is systemic, it's not about people.
     
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    "math is racist"
     
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    I think it's more of a cultural issue than anything else. School ain't cool in America. You don't have the same scholastic oriented culture as in some other places.
     
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    Of course it is and I've ready explained why. However, every system is at heart composed of people and can only be changed when enough other people get a belly full of their crap and force change upon them. The standardized testing regime can only warn as to whether or not a problem exists. It cannot in and of itself fix that system.
     
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    The Inner city schools in question have government-funded healthcare. It is called Medicaid. If families earned enough money to not qualify for Medicaid, they would not be living in that dangerous sh*thole.

    I cannot for the life of me fathom the connection that you think exists between these two things, but whatever that connection that you think you see, it does not apply to inner city schools that have the math scores that bring down the rest of the country.
     
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    It is mostly about the priorities of the parents and their attitude towards education.
     
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    That would work in a perfect left wing world, but as you can see right now, kids are sucking at math and there’s no room for gender junk until grades improve.

    And why do you want gender stuff taught in schools? How did you figure it all out?
     
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    Tv, print.
     
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    Or we could just let teachers teach

    "One likely reason: U.S. high schools teach math differently than other countries.

    Classes here often focus on formulas and procedures rather than teaching students to think creatively about solving complex problems involving all sorts of mathematics, experts said. That makes it harder for students to compete globally, be it on an international exam or in colleges and careers that value sophisticated thinking and data science....

    There is a growing chorus of math experts who recommend ways to bring America’s math curriculum into the 21st century to make it more reflective of what children in higher-performing countries learn. Some schools experiment with ways to make math more exciting, practical and inclusive.

    “There’s a lot of research that shows when you teach math in a different way, kids do better, including on test scores,” said Jo Boaler, a mathematics professor at Stanford University who is behind a major push to remake America's math curriculum."

    ( https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...reakonomics-pisa-algebra-geometry/4835742002/ )
     
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    As far as the math problems, consider that AI is coming and that if you need to do some math, just ask your phone for the answer. What more do kids need to know? (this is sarcasm)

    With this kind of thing, the solution is more complicated than what most people assume. A solution for grade school may be quite different from middle school and high school.

    When there was no internet in the classroom, the students tended to stay more focused on the teachers and on learning. In those days, parents tended to hold their students to a higher standard. In today's world, the phones and internet are a staple in the classroom, for better or worse. All the answers are online.

    The sad fact is that students are rarely held accountable for their behaviors. If there is no accountability, why put forth any effort to excel? This is not a student problem. It's not a teacher problem. It's a societal problem. We don't consider students responsible for not trying. And the solution is not just to hold kids accountable. Look at the society these kids are entering.

    We have to stop politicizing it and get serious about what the actual problem is. We have to stop blaming schools and teachers unless we are going to include society as a whole. But how many parents would agree to no phones in the classroom? How many schools are going to go back to using text books? Why learn to write an essay when ChatGPT can do it for you?
     
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    That some did great doesn't mean its not a problem.
     
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    But act WAS the POINT. And that's what the curriculum said. See how that works?
     
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    CRT is not taught below college level.
    That is the problem with this thread. IT's based on a lie. To promote racism where racism isn't an issue.
     
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    Well, I don’t think crt is prominent in many curricula, but we can start with curriculum, see if there are issues there. Could be other things like attendance or a failure to effectively teach too. Or student factors.

    It does remind me of curriculum being a hard thing to get right, and a moving target. An old professor taught biostatistics for my MPH. He taught us to manually apply statistical methods mostly. But that’s not practical at all. Nobody does it that way anymore, we have computer programs. What we needed to learn is how to choose the right statistical method and navigate the complicated stats software. Curriculum needs to be updated with the times, and presented in such a way that the student sees the value in it and knows the answer to “how will we ever use this?”
     
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    I see.
    R rated books in kindergarten? What nonsense. Or are you referring to them having a bible in the library?
     
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    Partially.
    But local taxes pay for most of school funding.
    Poor neighborhoods have poor funding for school.
     
  24. Bullseye

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    nope. k-3 get R-rated books
    Are you working on the worst post of the day contest. You nailed it.
     
  25. dairyair

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    Just meeting the low requirements needed to post with you, I guess that's why I nailed it.

    You think R-rated books are in kindergarten. The only R rated book I know of would be the bible.
    You know, where daughters incest with their drunken father.
     

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