What The Liberal-Left Does Not Understand About Trump

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  1. gringo

    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    the title of this thread says what inspired my old avatar

    which was ..."I understand perfectly fine, I just don't agree"

    back in the days of little Bush starting his disaster in Iraq, his message to the war opponents was ,

    "if you only understood, you would agree with the war"

    so fast forward to today

    the message from Trumpers and Qaloons is

    "the reason you dont like trump is because you just don't understand"

    to which I reply

    "I understand perfectly fine, I just don't agree"
     
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    Not true. They pay billions in income tax.
    So what?
    And . . .?
     
  3. ToughTalk

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    You shouldn't vote with your emotions. Look where it's gotten us.
     
  4. ToughTalk

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    Trump is trying to create bridges and dialogue. It's far better for everyone than to constantly poke at the evil men in charge, because as we are seeing with Russia...they will poke back. And no ody wins.

    Things were better globally under trump. He understood foreign policy better than Biden and his 50 years of foreign meddling and corruption.

    As we are seeing right now.
     
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    Well written and from a real-world and level-headed perspective. Hope to stumble across more posts from you, or folks like you.
     
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    You shouldn't post with your emotions.
    Look where it has you.

    Supporting a 2x impeached incumbent loser.
    Who lost his party political control in just 4 yrs.
     
  7. impermanence

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    Thanks...there's a few of us around...albeit not many.
     
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    There’s enough that led to my registration here, and my sig-line saying I’ll be back.
     
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    Does your paranoid paranoia extend to jurors who have note even been chosen yet?
     
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    Of course.
     
  11. ToughTalk

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    LOL...I don't think this mug shot is having the effect Democrats were hoping for...

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    The current state of ...well...everything is proof enough your policies based on virtue don't work.

    Time for a pivot.
     
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    I was disappointed he could only sport a constipated expression. I had faith that he could do better.
     
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    I have lived a very long time and have been a member of the media and have been a dedicated media/government watcher for a very long time now. And looking over the political landscape and what I believe has been happening for some time now, I think you may be right. There are some good candidates running for President but none with the vision, skill set, instincts, and ability of Donald J. Trump.

    I know he is controversial and I wish he wasn't. I know how he is sometimes petulant, obnoxious, unnecessarily combative and he often annoys the hell out of me, but if he is the nominee I only have to look at what he accomplished in his first four years to vote for him again with a clear conscience. He seems to be the ONLY candidate to have a vision of a strong, free, secure, prosperous American for everybody, as well as the only one to accomplish the closest thing to world peace any of us have ever experienced> He is the only one who actually figures out how to solve problems instead of just giving them lip service. He earned another four years.

    I do not believe he is guilty of all, if any, of the crimes he has been accused and has been maliciously prosecuted and persecuted by a corrupt and sometimes evil coordinated effort. He has been denied fair play, equal protection under the law, due process. I know many here will object to my opinion on that and also that I believe there is a coordinated and very well funded deep state effort to take him out as the OP alludes. I believe the left fears him more than any other person in the country right now.

    I hope those on the left take off the blinders soon and see what is actually happening to this country. If they do not, I am 100% confident they are going to hate and mourn what they will have allowed to happen to it and they won't be able to reverse it any more than any other country that has gone down this kind of road.
     
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  16. ToughTalk

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    I think he could have smiled and blown a party balloon and you'd still be maulding. lol.
     
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    Nominal Dollar figures is never an accurate way to determine whether corporations are paying income taxes based on the income they earn. With a maximum rate NOW of 21%, corporations pay far less on a percentage of their Taxable Income than most individuals do, assuming all other things are equal.

    The point of payroll taxes is that most people like you lump all that into one big bowl. Payroll taxes are both the withholding of SS and Medicare from an employee's paycheck PLUS the corporate share of the same amount of the employee's wages, including corporate officers. The corporate share is a tax deduction, while nominal gross wages are a tax deduction onf Form 1120.

    If you ever look at small corporations and their mean percentage of income taxes to their taxable income, they pay a higher percentage, generally, than the mega-corporations. That is why S corps are so common among small businesses now ever since TRA 86 became effective and gave the advantage of S corps where the taxable income is passed to the individual shareholder on a per rata basis not subject to SE Tax, generally, but subject to the individual's income tax on their 1040 return.
     
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    Of course. Government carries it to extremes some of the time. It is willing to fuss with an entire nation to fix a rare or small unsafe condition. Check out the banning of wood fired pizza ovens. It is an example of creating widespread problems for people to fix an issue that is so minute that it shouldn't bother anybody or even come under government meddling. People also have a responsibility to look after their own safety. I'm OK with government protecting people from other people. It shouldn't protect people from themselves. That is the people's responsibility.

    It does sometimes but never when the law will hamper or interfere with business. Hence my comment about government manipulating business.
     
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    Because taking a life is and should remain illegal.
     
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    Trump is not building bridges. Never has, never will. Trump does things for himself. He will only do things if he see money coming into his bank account and not for the good of the country.

    Things were not better globally under Trump at all. That is why I said looks can be deceiving when it comes to foreign policy. Again, China, while Trump was President, was talking about replacing the Dollar with the RMB and was fermenting the groundwork then for the implementation today. These things just don't pop up out of mid air or all of a sudden, but there are subtle discussions and so forth. With Trump trying to divide NATO, all Russia was doing was egging him on and patiently waiting. That is not a definition of better. That is a pressure cooker having a slow increased pressure before it goes off analogy. Trump unilaterally moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jeruselum and pretty much killed any peace agreements between the Israeli State and the Palestinian Organizations in the Occupied Territories. And yes, they are constantly occupied by Israeli forces even though it does not belong to them. The whole point of the Likuid Party was to dismantle the Oslo Accords and take over the territory while claiming it as its own. And that is not going to solve any peace deals in that area for anytime to come. Not even Israel accepted Jared's peace deal and rejected it hands down because they got what they wanted.
     
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    It would be zero if people died from something else while testing positive for covid rather than from covid itself. My point is not that it would be zero. My point is that we don't know how many people died directly from covid since we didn't do autopsies. The average age of people who died while testing positive was 82. Most people of that age have medical conditions.
     
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    Assuming they are covid deaths and not deaths from other causes then I think it is fair to assume that not every covid victim sought medical care and died. But I don't make that assumption and wouldn't be willing to suggest that.
     
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    Then pols are corrupt. Are you surprised?
     
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    I've never understood why people hate this guy like they do. Considering what he was up against, his accomplishments are pretty significant. And despite the fact that he has some personality quirks and is kind of strange in many ways, I am not sure any of us should be throwing stones. Trump has been in the public eye for decades and still speaks his mind openly. That's an amazing accomplishment in and of itself.

    We need somebody who is not afraid of every damn thing and puts America's interests first. This round of globalism has failed. The Democrat's socialist agenda has failed. Let them go and let's move on with what works...hard work with merit based advancement, real money, finance and banking designed to support industry and commerce [not to be parasitic], less corrupt politicians, accept all people who would do others no harm, protect children by re-empowering their parents and getting rid of indoctrination in schools, and help those who cannot help themselves. Most of all, return this society to one grounded in family and faith...the only way a culture can thrive.
     
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    I can't improve on that. I'll just say amen.
     

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