What The Liberal-Left Does Not Understand About Trump

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  1. fmw

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    That's a good thing. Reducing serious accidents is a winner no matter how you cut it. It could result in lower insurance premiums. New York wanted to close down the pizzerias there that have wood fired ovens for environmental reasons. If they had calculated the savings of whatever they wanted to save they wouldn't have brought it up. But they didn't and they did.
     
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    What hearless way to look at things.

    I have never suggested anyone tell anyone else to risk dying over pregnancy.
     
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    Looks like bowel impactation and not constipation.
     
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    In your post, emphasize the word story because that is what you are being told by conservative media. What Biden did or attempted to do was to remove the Title 42 conditions in which migrants or even legal immigrants could be denied because of Covid. Well, Congress has now removed all conditions of COVID relief from student loans to others and that was why Title 42 has ended, per the courts BTW. The other item was family separation, which Biden removed to try to keep families together. Keep in mind, the Trump administration lost, mind you, lost, some 2000 children because they sent them back to their country with no parent to pick them up, which is a violation of the law BTW. And that was humanitarian. Trump also did the same thing with some of Obama's executive orders and did so with some 100 executive orders in his first year. But that is the problem with executive orders. Any new administration regardless of political party where the President has that prerogative if he or she chooses to. Other Trump executive orders were limiting asylum seekers and trying to make asylum down to zero. And that is not right and nor does it go towards our history. Trump, by all accounts, is an isolationist and wants that isolation to apply from people to goods to money coming in or going out, even if it means that US Citizens. which he threatened in late 2019 because his base demanded it.

    There was already a war on between Ukraine and Russia when Trump was president. Trump just didn't care and used his influence to try to get a hotel built there with his name called Moscow Trump Hotel. But there was constant shooting on the edges of eastern Ukraine and where Russia was "assisting" places like Donetsk and Luhanskk with barbed wire fences and Russian soldiers disguised as local residents. And if a Ukranian citizen got too close to the barbed wire, well, they may end up dead or scared to death because potshots were taken all the time. This was a time much like during WW2 from the Winter of 1939 to the Spring of 1940, which was dubbed the phony war by one named Winston Churchill. The same was true with Ukraine and Russia after Russia took over Crimea and backed the breakaway provinces with military and economic support. It was that time the Ukrainian government used back-door diplomacy to try to resolve the situation. In the meantime, Trump was sowing the seeds every chance he got to either break NATO or continue to sow the seeds of mistrust. This is what Putin was looking at, and because NATO was not unified prior to his invasion in 2022, that is why Putin did what he did. And if Trump was President, how much do you really want to make a bet that Trump won't lift a finger for them because they never stated that Hunter Biden was guilty of corruption in that country?

    As for the economy, the economy was still singing, but the Russian War on Ukraine and our sanctions against Russian oligarchs who control the oil, among other things, has dwindled the supply of oil now, which is helping raise the prices. We saw that in 2022 when the price per barrel was going up in the futures market, and that has a direct impact on the gas prices, assuming all else remains equal. But we have low unemployment. The current GDP growth is 2.1%. In comparison, the annual real GDP growth rate during Trump's time in office was as follows: in 2019, it was 2.29%, in 2020 when Covid hit, it was a negative 2.77%, in 2021, it was 5.95%, and in 2022, it was 2.01%. So the current rate, if the trend continues, will be at or above the 2022 level and not far off, by a smudge, in 2019. Our GDP during the entire time when Trump was in office never rose above 2.5% on a per annum basis. One quarter it did, but not much after that. And you think the economy is not humming now lol?
     
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    He looks awake which is more than I can say about the idiot you voted in.
     
  6. fmw

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    It was a policy in those cities that actually defunded the police. How could you have missed that?

    Every single one? I think they are just anti-government no matter who is in power.

    So you agree with me that the electorate is either incompetent or irrational. Welcome aboard.
     
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    When you result to personal attacks, you know you ToughTalk lost the debate.
     
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    No city defunded the police. None. One or two cities shifted police resources within the police department, but that was about it. I know of three police departments that were actually defunded. The number of officers involved you can count on both hands and still have a couple of fingers to spare. These are small towns, very small towns, including one near Fort Worth, who literally shut down the police department. You had one town in Ohio in the early 2000s did the same thing. Also bear in mind that police departments are funded locally through sales, property, and possibly city income taxes, like in NYC. And if those revenues fall, then so does the police department's funding along with all the other funding that is obliged by the city. but that is not defunding the police, is it. That is an economics, finance, and accounting argument.

    Now, currently, you have the Freedom Caucus, MTG, and a couple of other Republicans in Congress who literally want to defund the FBI, aka federal law enforcement, and the DOJ, the federal prosecution office for federal crimes, and quite literally defund them because they have investigated Trump and the federal grand juries have indicted him. They threaten government shutdown and budgetary cuts by either eliminating the department or agency altogether. And that is the very definition of "defund the police."


    It is not a question of every single one of them. It is a question of official political party stance on their platform in which you will see none, unlike the GOP. Take the Texas GOP 2022 party platform which literally says that Biden is an illegitimate president.


    No one in the electoral board members is incompetent except for those "alternate" electors who signed their names on that document in late 2020 prior to the January 6th attempted coup.

    When it comes to voting, the moment the state certifies who won the election also certifies who are the electoral college representatives voting for that state and that state alone. That is the legal way, but if you want to continue in the 2020 election conspiracy, then that by definition is irrational.
     
  9. dairyair

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    I ask because of this part of your post
    So I am wondering what country you are afraid we could be like?

    I objected to his diversion of military funds to pay for a mostly useless and very expensive border wall. Which will do very little to halt border crossings.

    He really didn't accomplish very much. But he did claim to not take responsibility.
     
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    But you said you were not for laws to protect people from themselves.
    Now you claim they are a good thing.

    I don't know what to believe about what you post.
     
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    Here is your post about gov't not needing to protect people from themselves.
     
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    You want to take the decision away from the woman and give it to the states.
    Some states are outright banning any abortion or waiting until the mother is almost dead to let them have one.

    What is heartless is telling women they are not capable of making their own reproductive healthcare choices and you want the gov't to make the choice for them.

    IF you support states being able to dictate the woman's choice, you fall into the category of what ever the states want.
    And that could be death to the mother.
     
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    Your opinion. Everybody has one and of course you are entitled to it, but if you look at the actual data, it is pretty much unsupportable via verifiable facts. Trump negotiated with Mexico for there to be 25,000 Mexican troops on their southern border to prevent the caravans from entering Mexico and Mexico did not object to Trump's stay in Mexico policy while a person was being checked out to see if he/she qualified for asylum under the law. The vast majority did not. Those that managed to get to the border and cross illegally were mostly arrested and turned back. Had Trump been allowed to complete the wall our border would be essentially closed to all migrants. Certainly those who evaded the system were easier to manage.

    Biden reversed all that and has admitting millions and millions of migrants into the USA clogging and draining our resources. The gotaways--those that bypass the CBP--total far more than all who were admitted in the Trump administration.

    As for military funds being diverted, Trump rebuilt a military that Obama had seriously decimated. When Trump took office North Korea was ominously flying missile over South Korea and Japan, China, Russia and Iran were all saber rattling and we were still aiding and abetting a war in Syria. Not long after Trump took office North Korea ceased flying those missiles and was making nice with South Korea, Russia and China were no longer saber rattling and Iran became almost non existent. The war In Syria ending and no new ones started up.

    We had the closest thing to world peace that I have ever experienced in my now very long lifetime. Russia never would have invaded the Ukraine and China wouldn't be threatening Taiwan if Trump was still in office. North Korea is belligerently flying missiles again. And we wouldn't be funding a very expensive proxy war.
     
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    Considering the state of Biden's faculties, "idiot" is a polite declaration of the truth.

    Just thought I'd follow up with your medical analysis of the state of Trump's health during his mug shot.

    :)
     
  15. dairyair

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    Covid policy. Whoop de doo

    It was reversed because covid ended, duh.

    BS on decimated military.

    BS on Ukraine and China.
    You're just repeating RW fake news.

    AGAIN, which country are you afraid we are going to be like?
     
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  16. Foxfyre

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    Well since you don't seem to be interested in the actual history or any other point of view and insist on mischaracterizing my post I'll just wish you a really great day and let it go at that.
     
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    What?
    What history?
    trump implemented a stay in Mexico policy, true.
    It was a covid induced policy, true.
    Covid ended, true.
    The policy ended, true.

    For the 3rd time asked now, what country are you afraid the USA will be like?

    If you don't want to discuss what you post, fine.
    Why bother posting?
     
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    History like the Stay in Mexico policy was implemented January 2019 before anybody even thought of a pandemic. You see, I know my history. You obviously don't and that's okay.

    I am always happy to discuss what I post. I won't take the bait of those who want me to defend something I did not post.
    And I choose not to answer silly questions that pretend I posted something that I did not. Thanks for understanding.

    So again, do have a pleasant day. I am having a great day.
     
  19. dairyair

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    You are correct, I was mistaken on which policy was a result of covid.

    But the question about which country you don't want USA to become like is still valid. Here's your post on that again..
    So what country(s) are you afraid we may become like?
     
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    Maybe a course in reading comprehension might help you out here since you obvious completely missed the point and are reading into it all sorts of things I have not said? I can't answer a question about something I didn't say. But now have a nice evening.
     
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    No I want there to be no decision. Period.

    What is more heartless is killing an innocent developing baby.

    I'm a believer in the 10th amendment. To me it is the most important of the bill of rights after the first amendment. I support the original concept of limiting federal government to the powers enumerated in the constitution and leaving everything else go to the states. The states have competition and competition is good for almost everything. Federal government doesn't and can't practice equality and I believe there would be more freedom and more equality by having most of what federal government does in the states because of competition. Nevertheless, killing fetuses should be illegal. Conceiving them is a choice.
     
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    Yes and the subject of the protection - motorcycle helmets - is a state requirement, not a federal one. Our state, for instance has no such requirement. When I use the term government I am referring to federal government. Sorry I failed to add the adjective.
     
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    Life has its challenges.
     
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    First none, then three. Ah well. You can come up with almost anything when you insulate yourself from the facts.
     
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    You say that as if you actually know what the facts are. Please educate yourself.

    7 Myths About "Defunding the Police" Debunked
    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/7-myths-about-defunding-the-police-debunked/

    For two weeks, Democrats have been arguing over why they didn’t do better in the election. Was it socialism? The Green New Deal? Bad organizing online? These disputes will rage on. But there’s one lesson on which all sides should agree, because the evidence is clear, and the remedy is semantic: Stop saying “Defund the police.”

    Most activists, when they talk about defunding police, mean that we should fund social services and thereby reduce the scope of what police have to do. But that’s not how many voters hear it. Defund is generally applied to organizations you want to cripple or eliminate, not reform. So it’s easy to seize on this phrase to paint Democrats as anti-police and pro-crime. And that’s what Republicans did in campaigns across the country, including key Senate races in Maine, Iowa, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia. In all these races, the Democratic candidates opposed defunding law enforcement. But the slogan stuck to them anyway, because they were associated with politicians or activists who had used it.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/defund-police-slogan-election-polls-democrats.html
     
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