A little chance to end the war soon ...

I will watch out for other videos, if its unclear if the translation is correct or not or in the first video what the context.


I will watch out for other videos, if its unclear if the translation is correct or not or in the first video what the context.

In the 90ies, there was still Gorbatchev and Jeltsin.

Note however, that the narrative that Eastern European states joining the NATO wasnt such a big issue for Putin like you put it now. As long as his regime was stable with exploding gas and oil prices in the early 2000s he didnt need the big enemy and Satan from outside.

2001 and spoke in the German Bundestag and said his biggest concern was to turn Russia into a well oiled democracy, independent judicative, etc. and a few years later Anna Politkovskaya was murdered. However, Germany joined Russia in the Northstream cooperation, about which Eastern European countries especially and also to some extend the US was furious about. I was for a very long time convinced of that project, so was a majority here while Poland, the Baltics or the US-Americans were raging "how naive can you be?". Whats there to be left for them but to comment with "told ya!".

Your narrative of Russia just surrounded by hostility and good intentions abused by the others doesnt fit in the facts.

 

Coming late to the thread but I don't think it is a case of democracy vs autocracy. There are several issues at stake that should be factored into what U.S. policy should be.

The Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire for centuries--longer than the USA has existed. If I remember the history correctly I do not believe the Ukraine was ever an independent nation until 1991 when the U.S.S.R. dissolved.

DISCLAIMER: I do NOT APPROVE at all and in fact condemn Russia's invasion of the Ukraine most especially in the ruthless manner it has been carried out. Nothing anybody can argue is likely to change my mind about that.

But there are other things to consider too.

When U.S. states seceded from our union, it resulted in America's most deadly war as too often ruthless and savage and heartless military might was utilized to force the seceding states back into the union. Putin considers Ukraine defection from Russia in the same way and that is how he justifies his actions. That and the fact that if the Ukraine becomes part of NATO while Russia continues to be excluded, it would reasonably be assumed that Russia would be less secure and more vulnerable to attack. Does that justify what Putin is doing? No. But it does provide a rationale.

For many years, every world analysis judges Russia to be No. 1 and the Ukraine to be No. 2 of the more corrupt nations in Europe. Zelensky came to power in 2019. He had widespread national recognition due to playing a role as Ukrainian President on television for some time, and he ran on an anti-establishment, anti-corruption platform. There is little or no evidence that he had accomplished either or even tried by the time of the Russian invasion.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/ukraines-zelenskiy-ran-on-a-reform-platform-is-he-delivering/

The war is definitely draining U.S. resources but the outcome may or may not significantly affect U.S. interests.
". . .Ukraine is currently our 67th largest goods trading partner with $3.7 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2019. Goods exports totaled $2.4 billion; goods imports totaled $1.3 billion. The U.S. goods trade surplus with Ukraine was $1.1 billion in 2019. . ."
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/ukraine

So here we are caught up in a proxy war with Russia that could become another 'endless war' between two corrupt nations. U.S. taxpayers are on on the hook for the lion's share of funding for the Ukraine with no significantly measurable benefit to Americans. Certainly continuing the war will cost more innocent lives in the Ukraine.
"August 2023, OHCHR recorded 26,717 civilian casualties in the country: 9,511 killed and 17,206 injured."
https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2023/08/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-28-august-2023

At the same time, if allowed to prevail in this war, would Russia continue to expand by invading its neighbors as Germany did in WWII? That's anybody's guess but intellectual honesty does not allow us to dismiss it as a possibility.

All of which puts the USA into a practical and moral dilemma. Save lives and needless costs and continuing toxic situation by allowing Russia to win? Or is the right choice for the USA and the free world to defeat a belligerent and ruthless Russia? Both arguments have merit.

 

It all comes down to your leadership, which is made up of vatnik boomers who really hate that the USSR fell apart and the Russian Empire, an idea they instill in you and your children to this day, lost its grip over the Slavic lands that left the USSR.

We've done nothing but stand in the way of their efforts to recreate that empire by force. All else is propaganda fed to you by them. You have become the next fascist aggressor in Europe based on those lies. Congrats.

 

What does "empire" mean? And why did you obstruct by force?

 

I meant that we are helping to keep Russia from creating that empire through the use of force, i.e. invading Ukraine and forcefully incorporating its land into Russia.

I doubt you need me to explain empire to you.

 

Accounts like that ...I suspect....are incapable of comprehending concepts like that.

 

I think that deserves a BINGO....they keep wittering on about self made problems....anyway....

 

Our German Chancellor Scholz is much worse.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-at...-head-of-the-bundestag-defense-committee.html

 

There has been a lot of that going around, it seems like. Lots of fear of what big, bad Putin might do if the west helps Ukraine too much. We wouldn't want to *gasp* escalate the conflict! As if it could be any more escalated than a full-scale invasion of a neighboring country with an attempt to capture and destroy its government..

But then there are also the material considerations and how challenging it is to get the Ukrainians all trained and prepared to operate and maintain these new weapon platforms successfully. You don't just hand a country a bunch of jets and wish them viel Glueck!

 

How effective is German military aid for Ukraine? | DW News

 

If incomPutint keeps losing ground....I'm still thinking he uses one of his nukes....or opens a second front near Baltics....my 2 cents.

 

I think he ends up in a cage and shouldering the blame for the failure. Might be that his successor would seek to escalate with NATO, but that's hard to say.

 

Anything possible at this point....maybe this time next year Mafiosi is fragmented in several "fiefdoms" , each with its own warlord?

 

Friends, you mistakenly think that the whole problem is in Putin! But in fact Putin is the softest and most indecisive ruler to solve the problems that have appeared before Russia!

 

And what is the empire in your opinion? When Russia was an empire in the 19th century, the standard of living in it did not differ at all from the standard of living in the United States. Russian Russians had no less rights than Russians. The difference was only in religion, but even then, for example, Muslim entrepreneurs made no less successful careers than Christian ones. And even (imagine!) no one killed Ukrainians then.

 

For Americans to better understand the situation with Ukraine, imagine that California or Texas decided to become independent and Mexico supports the separatists. What do you think - what will the United States think about this?

 

Putinka is the problem....he invaded and caused all this.

But....we're boiling the frog....eventually RuZZfascista will pay.

 

Nonsense! The problem is in NATO. If NATO did not spread, then there would be no opposition to NATO. This organization should have been immediately dissolved after the collapse of the USSR and stopped anti-Russian propaganda. Then Putin would have been a pro-Western president who sought cooperation with Europe. Which was the case until 2008. And you just pushed him to cooperate with China by force. Because there are idiots in your leadership!

 

The standard of living is not at issue here. Muslims and Christians are not at issue here.

It's a matter of a few old men in Moscow feeling that they should have control over Ukraine and other modern countries presently outside of the Russian Federation. It's their Soviet mode of thinking that Ukraine should be within their "sphere in influence." It's paranoid, Cold War-era thinking about the United States, the European Union and NATO. It is also revanchism, a desire to even the score, so to speak, after essentially losing the Cold War and watching the USSR fall apart.

 

"Russian Russians" I means "Russian citizens" but I can't correct

 

Yes, no one was going to control Ukraine if it was a normal country! But from the moment of its formation, it saw the main meaning of its existence in the destruction of all ties with Russia, and then in the destruction of Russia. I can draw an analogy with the USA again: imagine that California has became independent. Well, okay if so, but then she starts banning the English language, banning the Protestant religion, rewriting school textbooks and writing that Americans raped and killed "Californians". How would you feel about that? And keep in mind that I have described only a small part of what is happening in Ukraine.

 

No...it's Putinkas problem....he decided that he wants USSR 2.0.....that's why Finland,Sweden joined NATO....followed by Ukraine in due course....Putlerstan invaded Georgia also....so they wouldn't join NATO....I suspect he would try Moldova too....

RuZZia is a vassal of China now.....because of Putlerstan foolishness....I'm hearing now that Chinese will be offered up in RuZZian classrooms?.....Xi Xinpings visit back in March 2023 had consequences for Putler.

I'm hearing also that Kim Jong Un will visit Vladivostok shortly....Putler will ask for a "donation" of weapons....again.

I suspect KJs demands will be steep.....more food stuffs, more energy, ....and probably for nothing also.

 

All the BS happening in Ukraina right now....will cost Walter in a big way....Rusnya Federashka will fall apart further....the numerous states will be run by warlords....that's what boiling the frog is about.

Warsaw Pact late 80s= RIP
USSR=1991 RIP
Raseesk Federatziya=2023/24 RIP.

 

That is far from true. Ukraine maintained trade and even military cooperation with Russia for long after the fall of the USSR. You know what drove Ukraine away from Russia? It was Russian interference in Ukraine's internal affairs. Russia's paranoia about Ukraine and the west drove Ukraine further away, and the more Russia acts like a bully and a tyrant and a greedy, vicious empire, the worse it's going to get. In fact, now that you've visited this level of death, terror and destruction on Ukraine, you can kiss friendly relations goodbye. It didn't have to be this way, but your new tsar and his KGB cohort have made it so.

 

I never ducked out" about "Force Projection". I told you the Defense Department's definition which recognizes the definition of words like FORCE and PROJECTION. You refused to admit that your definition, purely political in nature, had nothing to do with the real definition. So rather than admit you might be in error, you insult and vilify anyone that disagrees with you. Such a sadly typical action these days. You stick to YOUR definition. I'll go with the Department of Defense definition.

I never mention "dad" in any of my posts. You have "daddy" problems?