Do you understand why people vote for Donald Trump?

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Do you understand why people vote for Trump?

  1. Yes

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  2. Sort of

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  3. No

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  4. Definitely not!

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    That's an opinion, for the "facts", I'll probably have to wait.
     
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    i wouldn't say "hate". it's more like the democratic party has no respect for the middle class. in politics, the middle class is the great unknown and that is something to be feared by the political establishment. anything they can't control is the enemy and that mindset trickles down to their mindless acolytes. post world war two america redefined the concept of "middle-class" and this is something that the collectivists have never been able to tolerate. the american version of "middle-class" is independent, it consists of those that were born to it and those that made something of themselves on their own and the very idea of citizens that don't need government intervention in order to succeed is anathema to the great progressive machine. the middle class shrank during the tenure of baby bush (a progressive). it shrank even more dramatically during the obama years. it might have made a comeback under trump, but the establishment interference hindered any of his efforts so we will never know. under biden the shrinkage continues.

    the facts are obvious. the democrats love dependence and the entire idea of the american version of middle-class is independence. inflation and higher interest rates means less opportunity for entry into the middle class, just as less participation in the labor market for american citizens and higher, more diverse forms of taxation. the wealth redistribution of the democratic playbook does not touch the wealthy. it is designed to demolish the middle, satiate the lower and further enrich the few.
     
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    I resisted using the term “hate” to describe the Biden group (He is nothing but a figurehead.), but you are right. The Democrats can’t control the votes of those who have made their own way, and that drives the Democrats to bring millions of illegal immigrants they can control with give away programs.

    The Democrat leadership does not care about the problems of the poor. They only care about enriching themselves using the poor as a means to get there.
     
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    Probably not. The deep state consists of people with sufficient money, authority, power to significantly influence the body politic, control the message the media is allowed to put out, to dictate what policy will be. It exists within government and also significantly outside of government. The method is definitely Alinsky/neo-Marxist in character and effect. Rank and file government employees are not part of the deep state unless they willingly and with foreknowledge aid and abet the deep state in achieving its goals to the detriment of America and Americans, but such people do exist most especially in agencies who make policy with the force of law, i.e. DOJ, Treasury, Education, EPA etc.

    I rather expect you will disagree with me on that, and it could be legitimately debated to what extent the deep state exists and influences the body politic, but in my opinion only the most clueless or blindly partisan will argue that it does not exist.

    One of Donald Trump's major miscalculations was in underestimating the depth and power of the deep state.
     
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  6. edna kawabata

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    Ball and colleagues conclude that the rise in the ratio of job vacancies to unemployment contributed almost a third of the rise in core inflation of 2.0 percentage points over a 12-month period. The 2.0-percentage-point increase in inflation explains about half the rise in core inflation, climbing from 2.3 to 6.9 percent (total increase of 4.6 percentage points). And finally, they found that the main contributors to the headline inflation shocks were energy prices (2.7 percentage points) and a backlog of work (1.7 percentage points).

    In other words, the pandemic and global economics caused the rise in inflation. Calling it "Bidenomics" is either willful ignorance or partisan politics. That proves Biden "disrespects" the middle class?
     
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    That it came in with Biden is just coincidence then?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Uh, pardon me but I am a member of the middle class and calling W "progressive" and statements like "anything they can't control is the enemy" tells me how far right you are. The far right is seldom right. Saying the middle class has been shrinking since W is an example of that...
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    It is due to loss of manufacturing jobs, union busting and right to work laws dropping wages. Going forward less workers will be needed for manufacturing because of robotics, which will exacerbate income inequality. Even though the unemployment rate hasn't been this low since the 70s, 3.6%, income inequality has grown and Trump's tax breaks gave windfall tax cuts to households in the top 1 percent and large corporations, exacerbating income and wealth inequality. Those tax cuts cost significant federal revenue, adding to the federal debt, which the Republicans didn't worry about until a Democrat was in the White House.

    You go on about the middle class wants "independence". Only the right wants "independence" from healthcare, clean air and water, consumer protection, a social safety net, saving the environment, having to pay for infrastructure, protecting individual rights and on and on....You seem to be conflating the two.
     
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    Yes, Biden created the pandemic and resulting global economic downturn.
     
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    No, he didn't create the virus but would have if he could have because no Covid and Trump would be in the white house today facing his 16th impeachment attempt.
     
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    It is pretty hard for legal workers to ask for a raise when your boss has a stack of applications from illegals sitting on his desk. They have skilled tradesmen, bilingual office workers, and as much right to work as a citizen. And most send money home which is inflationary.
    Plus, they gladly work overtime on the clock or cash, as well as 40 hours paycheck, 8 under the table.
     
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    They flood the entry level jobs and make it hard on young people to get started into the work force.
     
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    That is brilliant.

    Yes, they come because they get jobs and business has fought against mandatory E Verify. They also illegally use Social Security numbers and pay billions into Social Security, but SSA doesn't police it because it is free money to them because the undocumented workers will never receive Social Security.

    Are they to blame or are the employers.
     
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    If your Traitor-in-Chief has SUCCEEDED in STEALING the 2020 election would YOU be BLAMING him for the current inflation?
     
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    Of course not. If he had been in office we wouldn't be having the current inflation.
     
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    The failed immigration policy of the Biden Administration is.
     
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    What administration had a successful immigration policy?
     
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    It has always been a problem but Trump had better policies dealing with the current invasion
     
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    Well if you think harsher is better, but they are still trying to unite roughly a thousand kids to their families from the Trump years. The Trump administration separated over 5000 children from their families with no process to reunite them and left Biden with the mess.
     
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    Blame US consumers for buying tons of cheap crap from China, and blame your elected representatives for not pushing back with tariffs like Trump did*. The Chinese have stolen from us, manipulated their currency for favorable exchange rates, and now they are ginning up for a war with us. The leaders you voted for allowed this to happen. Trump was the first one to give a crap.

    Americans voted for this. "Big Election Manipulation" and ballot harvesters got us the government we deserve. It is your fault for being a voting citizen and using thirty second sound bites for decision making. Voter made it happen. Politicians are only trying to remain popular enough to get re elected by you.

    *Yes. Tariff's did raise the cost of Chinese products in the USA. That is what they are designed to do. MSM talking heads act as this is dark sorcery by "the evil one"...
     
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    Ship them back to their home countries and let them match them up. Joe made his own mess by opening the gates and saying Yall come on down.
     
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    BWAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAAHAAA!

    Can your Traitor-in-Chief walk on water too?

    Hilarious!
     
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    Of course not, but he can keep a government on track.
     
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    A will America either party have the stones to send them back? UAW
    Who is arrogant enough to hire cartel smugglers to help them barge into a neighboring country and be shocked that their kids are sold into human trafficking, AND be so arrogant as to blame the country they just broke into for it.
    Spare me the alligator tears. You are getting my rug wet.
     

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