Under Biden we have had the worst foreign policy in history.

Yes, I remember Trump threatening empty illegal war crimes that he couldn't have actually executed -- I don't understand why you support his threats of outright terrorism. But that's not what resulted in "no American deaths." It was his surrender to the Taliban. Which you seem fine with. And if Trump didn't think the Taliban was our ally, why did he cut our known allies out of his surrender negotiations to the Taliban and why did he agree to help free thousands of Taliban soldiers?

 

I never said Biden had a deal with the Taliban. Trump did. Please read. I will try to use shorter sentences. Let me know when you comprehend.

 

He didn't steal any election. He tried to steal one and failed. He did more than anyone in US history to steal an election. How is that great?

 

And you are showing what your opinion on this issue is worth: nothing. We were making no further progress, in Afghanistan, in our war against al-Qaeda and its former sponsors, the Taliban-- do you want to know why? Part of the reason, is that many members of those organizations had retreated to safety, behind Pakistan's border. The goal of our mission had long ago shifted, from being the perennial combatting, by our own troops, of these guerilla groups, to the training of Afghan's new democratic government's army, to handle this battle for themselves. Our leaving was an acknowledgement, that this was not a reasonably attainable objective, in the foreseeable future. And this ultimate decision, was made by President Trump (not Biden), who also made it a practically irreversible decision, by quickly drawing out 90% of our troops from Afghanistan. All that was left for Biden, was to finish the job, which was now impossible to do well, within the time constraints of Trump's terrible agreement, with the limited abilities of the relatively small group of American troops who remained, and considering that the Trump administration had done next to no vetting, of our many Afghan allies, across that country. Yes, that last, Biden leg was sloppily handled, but it was the ending of Trump's poorly planned race, to our exit.

These facts are not hard to research, by the way.

 

Did you not see that I said "currently dying"?

In any case, here are some numbers:

https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner



Look at the "hostile action" column. That was a big fat "0" in 2022. And a total of 13 under Biden's watch. I am sure, however, you'll find something complain about that one, too.

 

Sounds like you're applying for a PR job-- the only question is whether it is for Trump, or for Putin.

 

It encourages more hostage taking. Although I will say this. If you go to Iran to see your relatives, and the Iranian government detains you, you can stay there. The warning has been issued.

Biden has the inside track on becoming the worst president in history.

 

I never said he was great. He is awful and only has a chance because the other side is awful as well. Its a battle of who is the least awful.

 

The OP is missing the days when US president says he loves NK leader, and says Putin is a genius, and Philippine Duterte doing the right thing by executing people on the streets, and yes, agreeing to turn Afghanistan back to Afghans.

 

Well, there is no reasonable defense of Bribed Joe, what else would you have them do?

 

Was NK and Russia making trade deals under Trump? Did Russia stop land grabs under Trump then resume under Biden? Did Syria stop gassing their citizens as soon as trump attacked them? Was Iran so scared of trump they shot down their own airliner? No one is scared of Biden

 

POST THE BIDEN PEACE DEAL WITH THE TALIBAN or stop posting untruths and misinformation..... Biden did not follow Trump's deal, so he had to have made another deal that he executed.... SHOW US THIS BIDEN DEAL....

 

You are the one claiming Biden crafted such a deal. You post it. I never said Biden had such a deal. Trump had a deal. Please learn to read. It is a skill that will help you throughout your life, I promise.

 

you notice that anytime the current President is compared to the previous President and possible Candidate for 2024, the right wants to silence it, that tells you just how bad Trump was, even his own party is embarrassed by his actions

 

The Taliban used February 2020. Biden used March 2020, the Date the agreement was in force by both sides. So, you are basically agreeing with the Taliban, aren't you?

 

Trump was the one that made the deal to release 5000 Taliban prisoners in exchange for us giving them Afghanistan - real winning deal there

"Top Taliban leaders are among the 5000 that Trump released last year over everyone's objections"

https://www.alternet.org/2021/08/trump-taliban/

 

The original agreement was February wether you like it or not.

the only thing Trump needs on an advertisement on foreign policy is this.

I stopped NK from launching missiles, I killed a hostile Iranian general, I stopped Syria from gassing their citizens, Russia stopped attacking Ukrainian territory, I had Iran so scared of the United States that they shot down their own air liner, under Biden we have soldiers lined up at NATO borders because of hostile escalations.

Under Biden he and Obama allowed Syria to gas their own citizens, under Obama and Biden Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine, under Biden Russia attacked and took more of Ukraines territory and continues to do so, under Bidens foreign policies oil has continued to rise, NK has resumed testing missiles and began negotiations with Russia for arms trades, under Biden you are seeing Russia, china and NK become closer allies against the world best interests of peace.


There is no doubt who’s foreign policy was more productive to peace in the world stage.

 

It was not signed by all parties until March, which is when the agreement came in force. And according to the wording of said document, none of the conditions apply until the agreement becomes in force. That is the cornerstone of any international agreement between two parties. We do this with trade treaties, income tax treaties, and so forth.

the Taliban did not officially sign the document until March along with Trump. Trump wanted to bring the Taliban to Camp David to do so, but was advised against it. So, you had two agreements, one with each signed by the other party, and the Taliban did it in March 2020, in secret, no press, etc. And it was announced in March that it was signed. It was announced that an agreement had come to pass in February.

 

Then in your own understanding you are saying Trump never made a deal with the taliban and Biden did

 

Never said that. Trump made the deal. once that deal was in force, Biden pretty much had no choice. But he still did it anyway because of the rule of law. And to go against any agreement we have, even with the Taliban, was to go against the word of the US government.

Biden made mistakes in the final withdrawal. Trump already withdraw our forces, the bulk of them in the proviences of Afghanistan in December 2020. that is when the Taliban began seiging the bases the Afghan forces were in, with the equipment we gave them ALREADY. But the withdrawal would not have happened under Biden if that damn agreement was not signed by Trump.

 

Trump warned Russia ahead of the attack so they could move their troops out of the way: https://apnews.com/article/fee4d978f1ca42aaa891a59c5307a261

 

Wrong again

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-middle-east-taliban-doha-e6f48507848aef2ee849154604aa11be


I see you fell for the Biden trash policy narrative though

 

Sorry, but is is no defense of Biden to point out that the catastrophe of Bush/Cheney outdoes everyone else.

 

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-middle-east-taliban-doha-e6f48507848aef2ee849154604aa11be

 

That link, FYI, does not refute my argument. Sure, Biden could have tried to repopulate Afghanistan with American troops, and throw out the peace deal, though I don't know that Congress-- who is supposed to be the branch which makes decisions regarding war & peace; and is certainly the branch that would have needed to fund a reintroduction of significant numbers of troops-- could not have challenged such a turnaround. That is not a counter argument to my point that Trump had botched it, up to that point, and left too few troops, to give Biden any leverage, unless he wanted to send back ten thousand or more troops.

As Biden had been in favor of getting out of Afghanistan for a decade, from back when he was V.P., obviously he was not going to get that war machine fired up, all over again. From your linked source:


<Snip>
“If he thought the deal was bad, he could have renegotiated. He had plenty of opportunity to do that if he so desired,” Miller, a top Pentagon counterterrorism official at the time the Doha deal was signed, said in an interview.

Renegotiating, though, would have been difficult. Biden would have had little leverage. He, like Trump, wanted U.S. troops out of Afghanistan. Pulling out of the agreement might have forced him to send thousands more back in.
<End Snip>


Now here's another link for you, from which I will provide you, what is really the minimum expected amount, but which you had failed to do: provide a snip (or a paraphrasing overview).*

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

<Snip>
The fact is, President Joe Biden and his predecessor, Donald Trump, were both eager to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan and end what Biden referred to in his Aug. 16 speech as “America’s longest war.”

The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.

And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.
<End Snip>




*If you wish to continue the conversation, please hold up your end of it. Typically, when someone provides nothing at all but a link, as you just had, I ignore it. It is not up to me, to read through any article you throw at me, without even knowing what about the article, you think is relevant. Include a quote (snip) next time or, at the very least, summarize what claim you believe the article either supports or refutes.