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I stated multiple facts.

And you choose to challenge one. About LGBTQ mandatory reading. And then I provided that proof.

Then you went weak.

That was the chain of events.

 

Not every trans person has gender dysphoria.

"Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics.

Transgender and gender-diverse people might experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives. However, some transgender and gender-diverse people feel at ease with their bodies, with or without medical intervention.

A diagnosis for gender dysphoria is included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), a manual published by the American Psychiatric Association. The diagnosis was created to help people with gender dysphoria get access to necessary health care and effective treatment. The term focuses on discomfort as the problem, rather than identity."​

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255#:~:text=A%20diagnosis%20for%20gender%20dysphoria,health%20care%20and%20effective%20treatment.

Can you possibly bring yourself to stop spreading misinformation?

 

The question isn't relevant until you explain how simply displaying the pride flag is pushing beliefs on students. That's why I asked the question I did. If you can't explain that, there's no reason to continue the discussion. One more time, just so it is completely clear: I do not think that simply displaying a pride flag is pushing personal beliefs on anyone. Until you can explain how it is pushing beliefs on someone, not by suggesting ridiculous hypotheticals about hanging up pictures of gore on the wall, but by specifically addressing this real life scenario with a pride flag, there's no reason to pick one of those.

 

I agree that teachers should not use their position and influence to impose their beliefs on kids.

I am not upset about displaying the pride flag. I display it on my home under Old Glory. I will not be clicking on the link you say will keep me busy, but here are the 3 possibilities I came up with. Which one is the most reasonable to you:

If we restrict the classroom to what they were designed for, there can be no issues.
If we allow all beliefs to be imposed, you will always have some issues.
If we start deciding which beliefs can be imposed and which are banned, we now have what I call "Preferred beliefs" and "preferred citizens"

 

I answered that already. What does the T in LGBT stand for?

 

African culture? You mean learning about it? Yes, of course. Southern culture, too.

 

That's not an answer, it's another question. It stands for trans, obviously. How does that explain how the display of a pride flag is pushing personal beliefs on others?

 

Many believe that it is not possible to transition to another gender. You appear not to believe it based on your own words. Lets replace the pride flag with "There are only 2 genders" flag. Are you still on board?

 

There is a disconnect between how each of us understand what I said about physical sex and gender. So rather than continuing to repeat that you think I don't believe transition is possible, it would be more productive to drop it.

Anyway, what part of the flag means that it's possible to transition to another gender? As has been already discussed in this thread, people are trans before they actually transition. You can be trans without transitioning at all. Depending on who you talk to in the community, non-binary folks are considered to be trans. The actual process of transitioning helps trans people, but is not required for someone to be trans. So, now that that's cleared up, how does displaying a pride flag push personal beliefs on someone?

 

You proved you have an issue with some states requiring the teaching of history and social science to accurately portray LGBTQ+ people and their identities. And that you only have issue with that because you think mentioning a historical figure is gay will somehow turn kids gay.

That is what is weak. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

The ONLY reason I can see for calling it a "mental disorder" is to justify organized abuse and discrimination.

It is really no more than hate speech.

Science isn't being "swayed" on this issue. Science is showing that there are multiple components of sexual identity and they don't always match in some cookie cutter pattern.

There is no way for that fact to justify assault of any kind.

 

It appears you are stuck on justifying one particular image and refuse to discuss the precedent displaying it sets.

I answered your question. Your turn. Which is the most reasonable:

If we restrict the classroom to what they were designed for, there can be no issues.
If we allow all beliefs to be imposed, you will always have some issues.
If we start deciding which beliefs can be imposed and which are banned, we now have what I call "Preferred beliefs" and "preferred citizens"

 

No. Do not be silly.

The confederate battle flag is the banner of war waged for the continuation of slavery, and then further for segregation and racism.

The rainbow flag represents a call for equality and peace.

 

That is nothing but your opinion.
Do you object to the United States flag? Slavery was legal for 77 years under that flag.
The Confederacy didn't even exist for 4 years or barely.

The rainbow flag does not represent me and only represents certain people.

 

Agreed.

I'd use a different word than "imposed", though. Studying communism doesn't mean "imposing" communism - etc. for important topics throughout education.

But, I think you are agreeing that we don't HAVE education if every individual parent (and in FL, its not limited to parents) can block books, topics, methods, etc.

 

Like I said, I don't agree that posting the flag is pushing beliefs on anyone, and you haven't convinced me otherwise. All you implied is that it includes trans people, and then you said some people think it's not possible to transition genders. That doesn't explain anything since whether transitioning is possible is irrelevant to what the flag stands for and irrelevant to the fact that trans people exist. I'm stuck because you keep asking a question that is not relevant until we establish that the displaying of the flag is actually pushing beliefs on people. If you actually explained what belief you think it pushes, that would help. But if we're at an impasse then so be it.

 

Is there any flag that you would object to being displayed in a public school?

 

Not on its face, unless it included violent or pornographic imagery.

 

Wooo boy! Do you have the wrong impression about the whole issue!

 

You said all that several times and I already agreed with you. Why are you dodging such a simple question?

 

Please edify us on the correct impression.

 

The question is irrelevant to the discussion unless posting the flag constitutes "pushing personal beliefs." I don't think it does, so I'm not answering the irrelevant question.

 

And what about the poor intersex child who is being bullied because they do not fit either male or female due to inhibition or mutation of the SRY gene of androgen insensitivity or any of a myriad causes? 1.7% of the population - more common than red hair

 

Then I can only assume that you are taking the position of the righteous, "I worship the only true god", "I know the only real truth" and "I display the only acceptable image" etc.

This is the preferred strategy for of those unable to defend a position on merit.

 

Well the interpretation of that would be very subjective.... Many progressives would argue that the Confederate flag qualifies as such and if a Confederate flag was hung in a public school system anywhere the national news media would be beating tracks to the door of that school