Maybe Some Of The Liberals Will See The Light

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  1. Endeavor

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    So 45% of the Arab league recognize Israel, that’s nice, but majority (55%) of them don’t.

    But here are few of the facts


    1) 53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14% prefer secular Fatah party.
    2) 58% of the population in the Gaza Strip stands with Hamas.
    3) survey from the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) unveiled that 58% in Gaza and 42% in the West Bank favor Hamas. Intriguingly, younger Palestinians and Gaza residents displayed stronger support, especially those viewing Hamas as Palestine’s ideal representative and resistor against Israel.
    4) Hamas has more then 30K member.

    Hamas is not Al Qudia in year 2000 with 2k-3K in Afghanistan who worked under the radar and Afghan people had no say what Al Quada was doing. Hamas represent “Innocent Palestinians”. In 2006 Hamas won 73 seats in general election.
     
  2. Arkanis

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    For there to be peace in this region one day, two things are needed:

    1- That the Palestinians accept the existence of Israel and stop using terrorism as a political tool.

    2- Israel must cease its policy of illegal colonization of the occupied territories.

    In the case of #1, the Palestinians elected Hamas to run Gaza because Fatah - which was much more moderate - was totally corrupt.

    And the Jews brought Netanyahu to power, a swindler of the worst kind, who doesn't want to make peace with the Arabs and who has accelerated colonization.

    As long as these two are there, there will be war in the region.
     
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  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what is the link, what was the statement they signed, I heard they were maga
     
  4. roorooroo

    roorooroo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting that these Harvard students are scattering now, trying to distance themselves from their "support" of Hamas/Palestine. If they had any true convictions about the matter, they would stand for their beliefs and proudly send their names to the media for dispersion across the country and the corporate world. Obviously, they aren't serious about the issue - they are simply virtue signaling.
     
  5. Tipper101

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    You are defending the opinions of terrorist lovers and instead going after those who would like to not hire terrorist lovers. That is BS in my book.
     
  6. Roelath

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    Has Israel never committed war crimes and protected their war criminals?
     
  7. Tipper101

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    Israel owns its border with Gaza, Egypt owns its border with Gaza, and Hamas owns its tunnels by which it smuggles in whatever it wants.

    So what’s your Fin point again?
     
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    Feel free to prove that, and when you do, I’d like to see you then justify wanting to commit genocide on Israel
     
  9. Tipper101

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    Feel free to put in a point somewhere in there. Kinda hard to respond when your rambling observations have zero conclusions attached to them. Or should I speculate that you’re headed in the direction of also loving terrorists?
     
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  10. Quantum Nerd

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    For an agreement to be reached, both sides will have to make concessions. A compromise will be one that both sides will be unhappy with. In the meantime, the status quo helps the Zionist settlers, which is why Bibi's policy is to avoid peace talks at all cost.

    There are, essentially, two "solutions":

    1) The one state solution, i.e. Palestinians would become full citizens of Israel with all rights. That's impossible, because population wise, Palestinians outnumber Israelis, so Jews would become a minority.

    2) The two state solution. In my view, the only REAL solution. However, this means that Israel will have to pull back settlements in the West Bank, and possibly concede some of East Jerusalem. Palestinians will have to make concessions, too, they won't be able to get back land that they had before 1947. They'll also have to accept Israel as a state.

    In my view, it is time for a new Camp David. Biden seems to lack the vision that Clinton and Rabin had. Of course, with the extremist RW in Israel and extremist Hamas in Gaza in full control, I doubt that peace talks will be possible anyway. Also, we know what happened the last time when the Oslo accords were ratified. Rabin was murdered by his own extremist right wingers, who hated the concessions, and Arafat was undermined by his own zealot extremists.

    Unfortunately, the picture is very bleak. I do not see any attempt at de-escalation, just both sides further ratcheting up the de-humanizing rhetoric and the killing. And in the meantime, civilians on both sides suffer and die.
     
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    Being critical of Israel is equivalent of genocide on Israel? Holy **** am I talking to Ben Shapiro? LAWL

    Also here are you war crimes. An entire documentary.


    Also Israel is now using White Phosphorus on Palestine which is banned and deemed a war crime. This was just days ago.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Criticism is with a purpose just as defending terrorist lovers comes with a purpose. Claiming innocent intentions is about as BS as anything else you’ve offered.

    And no, I’m not going to watch your little video, you’re going to put your argument in your own words like a big boy instead of running to have someone else make your argument for you.

    And your pictures have zero Fin context. Counts as proof? Nope! You lose, you do not round Go, you do not collect 200 dollars
     
  14. Tipper101

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    oh, and btw, you weren’t critical of Israel. You were critical of Jews who have a problem with hiring terrorist lovers. Youre merely pivoting desperately to Israel since I called you out on your Jew hate. Get your crap straight.
     
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    That has nothing to do with supporting Israel. Its all about condemning murderers that cut off the heads of babies and rape grandmothers.
     
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    People can just look at the post and see I referenced "Israel" not Jews for war crimes. Get your **** straight.

    Who did I claim was innocent? There are no innocents involved. But the USA is picking a routinely guilty party to fight the routinely guilty party. One has the backing of all the western powers to evict and displace an entire people. Which they've been effectively doing so for decades. They even placed that entire population in a concentration camp where they can turn off fuel, electricity, water, etc. Who is truly in control? Who truly has an independent state? Looks like an Apartheid state except it's the "Chosen" people dealing out a Holocaust on Palestine.

    I can provide proof and you don't even care. You must be Ben Shapiro if you're this emotionally charged. Are you going to cast a Jewish spell on me?
     
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  17. Tipper101

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    “Thank you Mr. Billionaire Jewishman for telling me that you support the Jewish state of Israel and are seeking reciprocity for those daring to not go with your message. I'm so glad political opinions are stifled by our elite class of "Chosen" people who can do no wrong.”

    ^^ that is you. Going after a Jew because he doesn’t want to hire terrorist lovers. Get your crap straight and own it.

    you claimed you were innocent. Reread my post and tell me how that wasn’t blatantly obvious. Trouble with reading comprehension?

    And there it is, I finally got the anti-Semite out of you. And now we know why you hate the Jew who doesn’t want to hire terrorist lovers now don’t we?

    Your false moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas is as pathetic as it is unoriginal. But my guess is there’s not much originality to bounce around in your head is there?
     
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    If you don't agree with me you're a Terrorist lover. Lawl. Put your boots on boy and start flying over. You're so damn passionate about Israel why don't you live there permanently? Also my intentions for looking at a billionaire who happens to be Jewish who is attempting to make people unhireable for not agreeing with his Jewish state of Israel is wrong for pointing it out? There is no bias involved? Maybe we need examine everyone who is pro-Israel and look at their backgrounds. How many get kickbacks from the Military Industrial Complex? How many are Jewish? How many are married to Jewish people? Than examine the people with cooler heads not taking words at face value and waiting for evidence to be supplied. But those people are all Anti-Semites wishing for a Holocaust if they don't agree immediately. hahahaha. This isn't the early 2000s anymore and my generation has broken from the lie entirely.

    Are you a Lindsay Graham fan? Bomb Iran today as well?

    Oh no. He called me an Anti-Semite. Someone please arrest me now for daring to speak my mind. Good thing I'm not in Europe or Florida else I'd be in prison currently.

    There isn't anything original about kneeling before Israel and having Americans going off to die in some foreign hellhole. That's been the trademark of US foreign policy for decades now. I could list off bodycounts for each side and conditions each groups lives in comparison. But the "Chosen" people are just above and are morally right at all things. You can't question Israel or Jews without being an Anti-Semite. You can't acknowledge the fact that the society the west lives in is controlled by a Jewish hierarchy. Do you even look at that billionaire is also outrageous... Just let him dox and destroy the lives of people he disagrees with. Sounds fairly typical from those people considering they own almost everything through their corruption.

    Even funny that this peaceful Jewish state attacked Syria by bombing their runways. No state of war declared. They just bomb the people around them with impunity and expect no resistance to their hostile behavior.
     
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  19. Tipper101

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    Longest rambling of deflections, fallacies, false equivalencies, and projection I’ve seen in a long while on here.

    it’s okay dude, we get it: Israel must be angels of the lord bereft of all blemish or else they can only blame themselves if Muslims want to rape, torture and kill every last one of them.

    you think you’re the only one to truck that ignorant BS around? Like I said, you are nothing but unoriginal.

    The one who needs to learn what it’s like to live under the shadow of rockets surrounded by enemies is you. But you’re just going to sit there in mommy’s basement and cast your own shade about aren’t you?

    Too bad your shade is so shallow.
     
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    His fault.
     
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    Yup. I agree.
    We should not hire anyone who supports, or inspires terrorists ...

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  22. jcarlilesiu

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    Ok, they won't be hired then because they are $&a(ing idiots.
     
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    Because it's an absolute BS detail that conveniently ignores a hundred years of history to make terrorists and people thay empower terrorists seem like victims.
     
  24. Zorro

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    I'm sure all of us would benefit from seeing the light more clearly, but this was a stunner.

    So this is what it took for Harvard students to (briefly) wake up

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    Hamas came in on hang gliders, mass raped and slaughtered innocent unarmed civilians at a music festival, for five hours and these folks on US Universities and BLM cheered their approval.

    'Described as “having second thoughts,” it appeared that some of the students really perked up their ears after Harvard grad Bill Ackman, the billionaire founder of hedge fund giant Pershing Square Capital Management, began demanding a list of names of members of the groups who wrote the letter of blame. He wanted to ensure that none of his fellow Wall Street titans ever “inadvertently hired” any of the students who would espouse such noxious views. The virtual ink was no sooner dry on Ackman’s tweet before Harvard groups were disavowing the letter and board members of other groups were quitting in protest. The New York Post rounded up some of the details of the retreat.'

    Publish their names.

    '34 “organizations” assembled and signed the original letter in support of Hamas and blaming Israel “completely.” But that probably only means that one or at most a few people in each groups were fully aware of and endorsing it. It’s possible that many members truly were unaware of the letter when it first went out.'

    Some questions:

    'The invasion was nearly the only thing anyone was talking about. Why did it take more than a day for four groups to withdraw their support and some (not all) board members of others to resign? If they truly understood the abhorrent nature of the letter, wouldn’t they have publicly abandoned ship immediately so as to not be associated with that crew?'

    When their future and their wallet was affected, only then did they backpedal.

    'The reaction was not one of saying, ‘Oh my God, I was endorsing an army of baby-decapitating monsters!’ It was more along the lines of, ‘Oh my God! I’m about to be canceled from my dreams of a luxurious life among the elite!’ And how much forgiveness and “benefit of the doubt” should be offered for that?'

    They are who they claimed they were, initially.
     
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    Oh look another reply that avoids the conversation entirely. Oh look it's another apologist for Israel. If you're not interested in a conversation/debate don't even bother replying. Side stepping it and hurling insults towards me. Truly peak debate tactics of a loser who has conceded.
     

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