Saudi Arabia suspends talks on Israeli relations normalization - turns to Iran.

And Zelenskyy is hiding in Poland and hasn’t been to Ukraine since 2021. Yeah, I’ve heard that BS before.

And lemme guess. You have no clue why they’re doing that and are about to repeat Israeli agitprop for reasons why?

 

Israel is brutal and authoritarian and you want them to do more of the same. Ok . . . I guess with the U.S. veto in the UN and our unlimited military support, the U.S. can succeed in making them more evil.

 

Don’t bring the other Christian nations into this. This support of evil primarily the doing of the U.S. The U.S. has stood alone with the veto vote for Israel more times than Putin has for Ukraine.

 

As a Christian I will always stand with Israel. Yes Christians should "hate" the Jews for helping the Romans murder Jesus but they do not because "We" know "these things must take place." The antichrist will rule for the first 4 years of the 7 year Tribulation Period but the last 3 will be a war against the antichrist and his followers led by Jesus. The Jews will not go unpunished for the sins they have committed against God and it will be a severe punishment as they are God's chosen people. Watch for the "man" who appears to come out of nowhere and brings peace throughout the world. When "he" arrives the world will know the end of days have begun. Be informed and choose your side wisely. There is only one Unpardonable Sin, either we are with God or against Him. This is determined by how we think and the actions we take. This is the Mark Of The Beast.

 

So you weren't offering a recipe that could have prevented this? If not what were you attempting to do?

 

What could have prevented this was for Israel to stop their ethnic cleansing even if they weren’t going to reverse the process and give back the property they stole.

After ending ethnic cleansing, they could spend the money needed and change the necessary laws and their constitution to enable equality of opportunity and incorporate the Palestinians into their own socialized health system.

 

That is what he is saying. I noted that put Israel in a no win position with him.

 

You laid it all out. You said Israel allowed the slaughter of Jews because they didn't... Sounds like you are arguing for more authoritarian rule over Palestine. You do know Palestinians are Arabs right? Are you saying the Jews are trying to cleanse all Arabs?

 

On another note we just learned why the Arab countries don't want the Palestinians thanks to MSNBC and Morning Joe. The Arab countries still have displaced Palestinians from previous wars and don't want to see more displaced Palestinians. I guess those poor displaced Palestinians who were forced to leave the terrorist ruled slum lord controlled Palestine was such a terrible thing for those poor displaced people.

 

I'm not the one who didn't know Hamas's mission statement includes killing all Jews.

 

Um, their current course of action could easily kill hundreds of thousands. Neither side respects civilians or the laws of war here.

 

This is an articulate and informed piece.

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-lebanon-war-hezbollah-miscalculation-could-blow-region-apart/
Israel or Hezbollah miscalculation could blow region apart

 

While Bin Laden blew the Twin towers, did you want USA to respect the laws of war ?
NO.

 

I'm a Christian too (Catholic) but I don't take these things as literally. I see a lot of the religious texts as symbolic and metaphorical and my relationship with God is more personal than based on organized church dogma. This said, I generally also stand with Israel but I do see their mistakes, too.

 

Interesting. I understand that the key to regionalization of the conflict resides with Hezbollah, far more militarily capable than Hamas, but however well-equipped they may be, they are no match for two American aircraft carrier strike groups, and we have sent the USS Ford Strike Group there already (has arrived) and the USS Eisenhower Strike Group is on its way. These have the goal of discouraging Hezbollah and Iran from entering the conflict, and the move will likely work.

 

Yes. It doesn't mean we can't respond, but to purposely cause the death of civilians without a clear military target? Not okay.

 

Compared to some of the posters here, you have an attitude that appears presumptively open-minded. Which is good. But I am not sure you have a correct understanding of the underlying military dynamics here. The US strike groups will add to Israel's already preponderant air power and accentuate all the advantages Israel already enjoys. Their more important function, however, is to give Israel cover by making sure if anyone else is getting involved, they know the US will get directly involved as well. Otherwise, they aren't going to really help in the military sense with the main vulnerabilities of Israel in case Hezbollah joins the fray. Israel can destroy Lebanon but no one can credibly destroy Hezbollah's ability to basically turn much of Israel, its economy, infrastruture, political institutions, etc into rubbel. What can be done instead is to try to "deter" Hezbollah from taking such a course. Broadly speaking, the dynamics are similar to what you had with MAD during the cold war. The deterence works until a side either feels it can absorb the pain and win the conflict or, as is this case now, the actions on the ground push each side to a spiral that eventually or potentially gets out of hand.

I should add that the situation got really intolerable especially going back to when Trump was elected. His administration basically sent out the message that not only Israel is not to be touched by its adversaries, but that Israel will have a green light to do as it pleases too. Once that dynamic was set in motion, the habits acquired by Israel persisted and no American administration of either party given political realities in America can easily change them. Israel was basically running amock in many ways that the average American is simply unaware of, with the right wing in American politics in particular not only cheeing it along but often pushing it to be even more reckless.

 

Palestine showed its true colors by murdering hundreds of Israeli civilians and kidnapping hundreds more.... many of which may soon be executed.

 

Hamas is wanting to use the people of Gaza as human shields

 

Hamas prays daily for more Palestinian civilian deaths.

 

I'm discussing article 9.

Which made up Israeli agitprop positions are you, @roorooroo, and @Turtledude thinking about?

 

Your showing your true colors by not distinguishing between Hamas and Palestine.

 

I was raised a Catholic and attended Catechism for several years. The Catholic Church never taught Revelations or end times probably because they did not want to scare people away. How much time have you spent studying Revelations through Bible studies?

 

When I hear a Palestinian claiming Israel has the right to exist I will know they are not Hamas.

 

You are showing your true colors by refusing to condemn Hamas attacks upon civilians, women and children.