Auto Dealers Call on Biden to Hit Brakes on Unrealistic, Unachievable Electric Vehicles Mandate

2 years? That's not accurate though. The bill was passed, but the program only opened this year for applications. Give it another 2 years and if nothings happened, then you have an argument. For now, they literally just finished taking applications.

 

Yes it is accurate, the program started two years ago and not one charging station installed, yes it took the a YEAR just to come up with an application program. A private company would be out of business.

 

It is their proudly screamed goal. Shut it down on the drilling side and on the user side and it is going to destroy our economy. We see the results in this letter.

 

Liberals are so full of great ideas that they're mandatory.

But it's the right that are the fascist....

 

Yes the market came up with something better..................did it take the government to do it?

Yes the market came up with something better....................did it take the government to do it?

And when necessary the market will come up with something better...................unless we let the government screw it up

And BTW

Let the market decide on rare earth metals and raw materials.................ok, they're gone, done

 

Your argument is the oil is finite, well so is your alternative so that blows your argument.

 

So you simply tag them all as Democrat donors and that refutes what they said in the letter? That's the best you got?

 

4 words-

Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo

You want your legal battle over EVs, you got it.

 

What an odd statement.
The oil industry is doing better now then at any time under Trump.

 

I don't think you could have missed the point by any larger margin.
So bad it's hilarious.

Oh really. (bid eyeroll)

 

No, you're just misinformed.

 

That's why the UK postponed their 2030 deadline till 2035, and even then, 2035 is unrealistic too. But as times goes on, these Utopian timelines will continually get postponed

 

Really? All the rare earth materials needed to make car batteries are infinately available? Got something to back that up?

Perhaps you have been misled with this "finite" thingy without thinking it through to the logical conlusion about your proposed alternate.

 

I think you don't realize the point you are actually making and that is even more hilarious.

Tell me how much did the government spend subsidizing all the gas stations and gasoline production when we moved from horses to automobiles? How many pumps did they have installed across the country?

 

Better in what way and if they are doing so great are you investing your wealth into them? Tell me how the consumer is doing better at these prices?

 

I didn't say they were "infinitely available". YOU said they are gone. Got something to back that up?

Perhaps you want to make things up. Why?

 

Do you think that's a serious question? Do you think it's a clever question? Do you think comparing horses to autos is the same as gas to electric? The absurdity of the question makes it not worth answering.

 

The oil industry had a record amount of bankruptcies under Trump. They are producing more oil than under Trump. The prices are way down now and the right's argument of "runaway inflation" and "skyrocketing prices" is falling apart day by day.

 

Considering how the US Govt works, that doesn't sound out of line for setting something up to this size and scale.

What's the average time for a program to start vs when the bill passed?

I'm looking around at other grants and 2 years from bill pass to application date seems to be common.

Clean School Bus Rebates - Bill passed in 2021 - Application Date - Sept 2023
https://www.epa.gov/cleanschoolbus/clean-school-bus-program-rebates

Same - Infrastructure Bill Funding - 2021 - Application Date - 2023
https://www.masstransitmag.com/mana...necting-communities-and-neighborhoods-program

The same bill - applications 2023
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/protect/discretionary/

Doesn't seem to be that uncommon a time-line.

And constantly comparing the Govt to a private business is a red-herring. Govts don't operate like businesses do. In some ways that's good, and in other ways that's bad.

A longer timeline means more time to get all the ducks in a row. Look at the PPA loan program. 1 year from the bill passing to first applications and the level of oversight to stop fraud was seemingly non-existent in the effort to get the money out as fast as possible and now it seems that the price tag is about 80billion.

Sometimes speed is not the best way to go.

 

YES THAT's THE POINT. When the government tries to act like a business and put it's heavy hand in the fee market under some uniformed bureaucrats idealistic visions it usually turns into a disaster and this one could have PROFOUND effects. It needs to be stopped and let private industry develope what will be the best alternative.

 

It peaked under Trump not Biden.

 

It's 2023. Electric cars have been around since the ..what 40s? 50s? The fact that in 2023, we still don't' have fleets of viable electric infrastructure/cars then that's a failure of the private sector. People want them, but they can't afford 80k+ electric cars.

 

You also forgot the fundamental problem with EVs- they're lousy under load.

EVs development failure has nothing to do with the "private sector" not wanting them, like somehow it's a moral obligation to love EVs.

It's that they've never been able to compete.

 

"peaked"?!! Peaked how? The oil industry hit 13 million under Trump for a very short time and that happened because he was killing the market. Seriously, get a clue before you toss things out.

 

Peaked as on the most produced. Stop trying to make out like Biden is promoting our domestic production and making sure we have a cheap supply of oil and gas.