The moral failure of this "American" Government

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  1. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

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    It is historical fact that can be evidenced.
     
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    it is conspiracy theory fantasy which has no evidence at all

    The fact is you have failed to post any evidence at all

    Youy are posting outright lies
     
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  3. philosophical

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    This is the best answer I have read today.
     
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    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Not quite an eternal debt, but that is one debt. But see how far back we'd have to go? Now, that's because of our own fortunate geopolitical situation, but I am tired of our altruistic foreign policy.

    This altruistic foreign policy gets Americans killed. And while the Russians do their body bag ideology, we are not Russians right?

    The best way I can meet the establishment in the middle is this: We lament the failure of democracy in the Middle East, why not try to build it where it's successful: Europe. NATO does do this to an extent, but we don't need Article 5 weighing us down. Let's take a page out of Napoleon Bontaparte: Sister America's

    If each and every European nation were a "mini America", there would be no "threat of Putin expansion". There would be no Russo-Ukraine war.

    Again, the development of the Europeans to handle and deal with this themselves, is key to European security.
     
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    Soupnazi said:

    it is conspiracy theory fantasy which has no evidence at all

    The fact is you have failed to post any evidence at all

    Youy are posting outright lies.

    I posted this earlier, plenty of evidence there for you to refute in a reasoned way if you're able.


    From a 1984 article by Patricia Bradley

    To examine colonial American press coverage of the British court decision to free American slave James Somerset, a studywas conducted to clarify why the decision worked as a victory for British abolitionists but was usually cited even in post-Revolution America in the passage of increasingly oppressive slave legislation. Twenty-three of the thirty-two regularly publishing newspapers of 1772 were selected for survey. The extent of coverage was ascertainedby determining the number of insertions each paper devoted to the story during the trial period and by counting the total number of words given to the story in these insertions. Because of the colonialeditors' tradition of transcribing verbatim British press accounts, completeness of coverage was determined in large part by word count. On a colony by colony basis, it was found that readers in the areas surveyed could be as well informed as readers of most British papers.For example, the "Boston Gazette" provided only 42 words on the story, while its rival, "The Massachusetts Gazette and Boston News-Letter," devoted some 2,700 words to it, including trial coverage and opinion papers. Since the patriotic press saw its duty as inflaming rather than informing the public, the findings suggest that coverage of the Somerset trial manipulated colonial fear of racial equality as a way of providing yet another reason colonists should seek separation from Great Britain.

    Nothing to do with the causes of the revolutionary war? Yeah right.

    Did George Washington keep slaves and was savvy enough to keep them enslaved?

    Read this:

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...loopholes-avoid-freeing-his-slaves-180954283/

    Washington was a sharp operator and would have been well aware of the writing on the wall because of the James Somerset case.
     
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    I don't see the Vietnam war as an example of American altruistic foreign policy
     
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    So the only time we can really prosper is if everyone else is beaten down by war?
     
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    You are simply wrong in what you write.

    Goodness knows what the 1619 project is supposed to be when it's at home.

    Woke means being alert to racism, and to be anti woke is to be in favour of racism.
     
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    Wrong

    I am correct

    Woke means inventing absurd theories about racism and white supremacy. Anti woke means being alert to mindless propoganda lihe the 1619 project and the revisionist history you posted here which has no supporting evidence
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    What I write has far more evidence than what you claim. The wokkme left actually has to create hoaxes to call attention to racism because the demand is far greater than the supply.
     
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    Not necessarily exactly what I meant(but it did help). But the US was able to concentrate a good deal of its domestic policies to rebuilding, putting the finishing touches on the New Deal, etc. But as far as macroeconomics is concerned, soldiers returned to the country in search of plentiful jobs, and as we know, the great generation made up A LOT of private fun time, giving us the baby boomers.

    And we know that it takes money to raise a family. All of these factors contributed to the massive growth. And all of them are actually sustainable.

    Guess why we failed to sustain it? The INTL factor. And the US is the only country that has to bare this ridiculously unfair burden.
    It's the other extreme of Autarky. When in fact, we should be aiming for a balance.

    We should be looking to make deals that keep certainly our nation in the black, or as close to the black as both countries can be. And at the same time, we should only spend as necessary for our OWN defense.

    If that means some other country collapses via military takeover, that's tragic and a sad loss of life but it cannot be something that moves us.

    The UN/INTL based order should be able to sustain itself without our help.
     
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    LOL... It's a fantasy of connect the unrelated dots. An exercise in intellectual mastrubation that leads folks down unrealistic rabbit holes designed to make folks who aren't educated believe in the worst excuses for intellectual misdirection. Why? So folks question the beauty of a system and wonder, why not China... When folks like you ascribe your own projections on others, it really is both dishonest, and frankly icky....
     
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    I am afraid you are wrong.
    Why don't you think about the evidence I have provided above and disprove the value or significance of it if you can.
     
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    Where is your supporting evidence that backs up your personal definition as to the meaning of 'woke'.
    If you go to the BBC website, and go to sounds, you will find podcasts by a man called Matthew Syed looking at the meaning of the word woke.
     
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    This is a great post, it demonstrates how little international trade and alliances are understood.

    Experience, kindness and intelligence are more differences.
     
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    [QUOTE="AmericanNationalist, post: 1074560308, member: 63456"
    So this is a one sided relationship, with ZERO benefits to the US and all of the drawbacks to the US.
    So we're economically screwed as well. [/QUOTE]

    Don't fall for that crap!

    The US economy largely profits from its international relations; in particular with Europe that, btw, bought $60 billions worth of weapons from the US since the Ukraine war started in Feb 2022.

    And the european countries already have about 150 F35 and will operate more than 500 of them by 2030. At about $150 million apiece,that's not negligeable at all. Almost all of them will be replacing their F16 jets.

    I realize that Trump's policy will be isolationist. But you should know that isolationism is the best receipe for economical decline.
     
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    I agree with the OP. I say we start by stopping all monetary and military aid going to Israel, then we can talk about Ukraine.

    Deal?
     
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    It is not my definition it is the accurate definition based on actions

    The BBC is no authority and has no credibility
     
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    No YOU are proven wrong

    you have not offered any evidence
     
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    You have not provided any evidence to back up your weird definition of the word woke, no source of authority, no source of credibility.
    If you have not listened to the Matthew Syed broadcast you’re in no position to judge. He is not a BBC staff member anyway.
     
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    I can’t persuade the intentionally ignorant.
     
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    Thats what 'woke' used to mean decades ago. It doesn't anymore. It was predominantly a term used by black people to refer to awareness of instutional racism. But like many things black people popularize, it has been appropriated by affluent white academic elites to encompasse anything left-wing, from bureaucratic authoritarian collectivism (that black people are not fond of) to characterizing the nuclear family as 'fascist' (which is also not a black position) to trying to ban guns (while the fastest growing gun rights organization in the US is ~90% black people). 'Woke' was a predominantly black term that got stolen by the corporate social engineers and turned into a generic, subjective virtue signal to manipulate the masses in a decidedly 'non-black' direction. Very typical.
     
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    I thought “woke” means drinking Bud Light. :pc: :cheerleader:
     
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    Well perhaps we all ought to stick with the original meaning from decades ago, made conscious by the Scottsboro Boys scandal of 1931.
    If the word is misused by anybody they are fools, woke does not mean any and everything people don't like.
    People who for example want to ban guns are not 'woke', they are people who want to ban guns.
     
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    But, what about the second coming of Christ???
     
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    corporate greed will be our downfall... outsourcing so many jobs overseas

    India is taking so many of our jobs, they are taking our money and becoming biger consumers of resources, which means less resources, higher prices and fewer jobs

    plus the national security risk of having India control all our IT
     
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