‘Poisoning the blood of our country’: Trump delivers caustic attack on immigrants

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  1. Alwayssa

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    That depends on the type of form and the priority date. For instance, Schedule A nurses on the form I-140 is about 6 months. However, the petition for Refugee or Asylee on Form I-730 is like 29 months. The form I-130 relative by a USC to bring over a parent, spouse, or child under the age of 21 is like 14 months. So, it depends on who is being brought over for what reason. With some worker visas, The DOL and USCIS get involved with labor certification as well as all the immigrant-related stuff. This is why the expedited process, a fee currently at $2500 plus the petition fee, is paid upfront.
     
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    Fpr starters. you have not disproven my position. Yes, Trump had a "remain in Mexico" policy claiming that Mexico was a "safe country" for them to wait. We all know the reason why Trump did this and it was not for the benefit of the immigrant coming here claiming asylum or refugee status. It was for Mexico to pay for them while the immigrant gets false information on court dates and so forth, even being denied entry when their court date is that day or the day before. If the immigrant does not show up, then the case is dismissed. Not very fair, isn't it? Not the "American way" isn't it? And yes, it is a game of "gotcha" for the immigrant if that is to be the case under the Trump doctrine.

    Asylum and Refugee definitions are based on the 1950s. Times have changed. Although the definition can apply to those who live in North Korea, PRC, Cuba, and possibly Venezuela, it does not apply to most of the situations. And it does not apply to couple from Germany. You know, the Romeike family. If you allow the Romeike family to seek asylum, then you must also allow those migrants to do the same under the equal protection clause of the US Constitution. So, how to define asylum or refugee from a point of view where there is severe political and economic uncertainty? this is why I think we need better definitions. The definitions are not to allow more people in or keep more people out, it is to make it clearer who can and who cannot apply per 8 USC 1158. YOu simply cannot ignore the law if one is EWI or not when applying for asylum or refugee status. That is where you are wrong on all counts.

    the other problem is what to do with the low-skilled workers who want to come here to work. They will generally sneak across the border simply because they do not want to be denied at the border. That is the real reason. If they are not caught, then they go to their destination where other family members live. It is not about drugs or anything nefarious towards the American people or government, it is more of a totally desperation move in which they are trying to feed their family. In some cases, unaccompanied minors come here because their parents do not want their children to have a better future. This is the most difficult situation of them all. If a family relative is here, they can pick them up and do an international adoption, but even that is tricky under immigration law and there have been cases where the adoptive parents thought everything was done right, but when the child turns 18 or about 18, USCIS notifies the child that their time is up. By the time the lawyers get involved, it is too complicated and there is no remedy under the law. A congressional inquiry is their only hope and the parents hope they don't have a dickweed of a politician who want do this. Thus, this is why we need legal immigration reform on these issues. Corrections in the code where either international adoptions don't get screwed when it is too late, easier access for low skilled workers to work here legally instead of illegally, and so forth.

    But the reality is that MEGA conservatives like you and others simply don't want people whose skins are darker than yours coming here in the first place. You are more than happy some dipshit poor person from Europe flying the Nazi flag is preferred than someone who is from South of the Border, Asia, or even Africa.
     
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    the borders are controlled as the law allows. We have 25000 CPB, we even have fences in some areas, we have agreements with certain countries, we inspect pretty much every vehicle coming through the POE, and so forth. So, yeah, it is controlled. Controlling does not mean few are coming in or not. Control means that we have protocols in place to handle the crowd whether it is a crowd of 1 or 10000 or more.

    to answer your next question, tell me Blues, how would you go about with a Visa Overstayer who has been here for 20 years, no criminal record, not even a traffic ticket, works, is an entrepreneur, but made one mistake by sneaking across the border 20 years ago?
     
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    I am not talking about thousands of regulations, but the truth of the matter is that the worker enforcement within the Immigration code is geared towards dependent personal services, ie W2 employees where that worker Authorization card is used for than for independent personal services, ie the 1099 person.
     
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    LOL, the hypocrisy of Fox News is amazing, even on paper. It is the perogative on paper that the Governor has the authority to pardon anyone much like Trump's pardons on people who were convicted or indicted on federal charges. It is a non sequitur argument politically. Texas, where the Padons and Parole Board must approve the recommendation to the governor is this an exception? At that point the governor of Texas will either pardon them or not. Even Biden pardoned 11 individuals.

    To reiterate, Trump padoned 257 people, some of whom never went through the Office of the Pardon Attorney. All other presidents who pardoned people went through that office.
    Barack Obama pardoned some 1900 people.
    GWB pardoned 200 people
    Bill Clinton pardoned 453 people.
    Even George Washington pardoned 15 people including two persons who were convicted of treason. Oh My god, the First Constitutional President of the United States pardoned two people who committed treason. OMFG, treason and he should be treated as what? Not supporting the US Constitution? Is something nefarious going on? Or will we hear the "butt, butt, butt excuse again?"

    Geez, complete idiocy here.
     
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    I take it you never heard of North Korea or the People's Republic of China? Under the current definition for asylum and refugee, they most aptly apply. Or are you now throwing the Romeike family under the bus now?

    As for closing the borders? No. Not in the way you are thinking where no one, even legal immigrants, are allowed. Besides, our economy is doing fine. Immigrants help keep inflation down somewhat. So does trade with other countries. But it what I expect from a post of yours, the DDS approach.
     
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    >> So lacking any solid case, you decided you have to throw in the race card. Pitiful. Your kind of thinking is the kind that will make America a third-world shithole for everyone.
    Find some backbone, and set out to build some self-respect. Bring yourself up to the bar, instead of trying to tear down those who support it so you can tell yourself you are "equal".


    Color or nationality does not make people who they are- they do that themselves. The fact that the birds of a feather flock together makes some cultures a loss less respectable than others, but never makes all the people in it the same. I don't know your race or nationality or skin color- but you've told me how you think, and that's what controls by respect for you. I can tell you that you wouldn't fit in my world at all, because you practice real bias and prejudice. I'm convinced you lack the values I respect; the values that are critical for societies to thrive- and that is your choice. You are responsible for it. I'd exclude you.
    I think I will waste no more time on you. You're not going to figure it out.
     
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    All you have to do is replace Blacks by illegals to get a similar effect.
     
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    Whether or not Trump says it, it is absolutely true.

    Very simply, if the USA was 100% white the violent crime rate would be reduced by 90%.

    That doesn't mean that no whites are criminals or all non-whites are criminals.

    We are already seeing the increase in crime as the illegals pour in. It is masked by the fact that law enforcement has virtually ceased in parts of America.

    Just because the liberals gerrymander the statistics and pretend crime isn't crime, it's still the truth.
     
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    Poisoning the blood of our country? Trump did exactly that with Operation Warp Speed.

    But he's right that uncontrolled immigration has harmed this country.
     
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    Sadly it is. 52% of murders are committed by blacks, who constitute only 13% of the population. If the number of murders over the 13% didn't happen, our murder rate would fall 39%.
    This is true of most felony crimes as well. Now I know some very fine black people. It's not the color that makes these numbers true, it's the culture. The only people who can change that- are the people who make it up. We know what is needed- but we have no way to make it happen. For example the idea of a nurturing environment that shapes the character of children, the next generation- it takes a sound nuclear family. Yet, about 70% of black children grow up in single-parent households. Sad as it is, the old saying about leading a horse to water is true.
     
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    Our national "blood" has been in a state of toxic putrefaction since "9/11", at least. It's almost as though old Osama bin Laden put some kind of curse on us which, in one form or another, has lasted right up to this day!

    I keep asking myself, "What exactly did Trump DO as president to stop (I mean STOP) the invasion of this country from illegal aliens, criminals, asylum-fraudsters, and masses of useless, needy peasants? He build part of a wall, that Americans paid for (not Mexicans, as Trump promised).

    But Trump failed to do the ONE thing he could have done that would have put a STOP to the problem -- and he had the power as President of the United States to do it: Trump should have declared a national emergency and a complete moratorium for a minimum of five years on any more immigration into the U. S. -- period! The only exceptions should have been for those rare foreign individuals who have vitally-needed skills not found in our population, and, for asylum granted to those who are PROVABLY being pursued and targeted for death by foreign governments. Then, put U. S. military personnel on the border to defend it with deadly force if needed....

    Trump didn't do that. So... why does anyone think he would do anything different in 2025 if he were elected again?
     
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    I didn't come up with them myself. I used the crime statistics which everyone already knows. You use liberal bullshit.
     
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    For you to say the border is in control when we are setting RECORDS for illegal entry and ANYONE csn simply walk across and get free room and board and health care and a ticket to whereever they choose to go is one of your more absurd uniformed statements.
     
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    When you have to resort to the Nazi smears you know you have lost. Try again and actually answer.

    You think we should just continue to welcome with open arms these illegal FOREIGNERS en masse who want to bring THEIR culture and lifestyles and languages here and it has no negative effects on AMERICA the COUNTRY and our culture and lifestyles and language?
     
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    And where are you when you have to resort to actual Nazi statements…??
     
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    And how many 'migrants' will you be welcoming into your home while they wait for their claims to be heard?
     
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    1. "nazi marxist' is oxymoron.
    2. No, we don't have a 'problem'. Not only do we don't, there is no such thing, period.
    I thought you guys were anti-global, which is nationalism, and you are claim we are, and you are critical?

    Make up your minds.

    Look, us old school liberals are just as critical of college campuses as you are.

    But the left is not a monolithic group. The hard left doesn't have a stranglehold over the party that MAGA does on the right.
     
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    You may want to rethink your source.

    Rasmussen surveys landlines, and who uses landlies? The elderly, who tend to lean right.

    I don't trust any poll by Rasmussen. RCP averages show a median of a point or two Trump ahead of Biden; Rasmussen shows him 10 points ahead.
     
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    You were asking yourself an important question and here is the answer; Trump v.2016 didn't do anything about immigration (except promoting some half-fake border wall) because he DOESN'T WANT TO.

    Did Hitler claim the ''Jewish problem'' solved, after grabbing power in 1933?
    No, of course not, otherwise he would have lost power! As long as the ''problem'' exists (immigrants, Jews or what-ever) dictators can keep the the fear into people.

    And FEAR is what drives people, a society, into the arms of ''The Great Savior''. This aspiring savior of the nation will solve all the problems, be it mass immigration or whatever.

    Like Trump does, but then never delivers. But Trump claiming immigrants are ''poisoning the blood of our country”, will persuade many to join his calling. If that calling is to worry over immigration into the US.

    But don't worry, Trump won't solve it. It doesn't suit his agenda as a bona fide dictator.

    Trump wants to keep his followers enslaved to the idea of the GREAT PROBLEM. Be it immigrants or what-ever fear Trump decides his voters need to lose sleep over.


    It's wasn't until 1945 that people (specifically in Germany) finally woke up from the lies that Hitler had them all addicted on. Especially his lies about the Jews.

    Let's wake up from the Trump lies before we end up in his 2nd Presidency. One likely far worse than anything we had from 2016.
     
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    Excellent analysis…!

    There’s a little taste of Orwell in it as well….replace Oceania with USA and Eastasia with ‘immigrant hordes’…

    “Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. Since the beginning of your life, since the beginning of the Party, since the beginning of history, the war has continued without a break, always the same war.”

    Having the “other” blamed for your problems worked in 1930s Germany…it’s still alive in 2020s America…
     
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    What the hell does this have to do with anything? I would suggest you understand immigration law before you post again. You might learn something other than what you read or listen to in the RW media cobweb approach.
     
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    I have a question for you progressives.

    Just how many millions of people from other countries is the United States expected to take in?

    Can you put a number on it? What percent of our nation should be made up of people who come from other nations?

    At what point do you say we need to save some land and resources for American citizens?
     
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    Well. If these numbers keep up, we'll see what happens in the election.
     
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