Nikki Haley? any chance??

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Na ja, mir ist klar, dass Du etwas Hilfe brauchst. Ich bin immer für Dich da, Vergifteter.
     
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    Having conquered Norway and the threat was obviously looming. We'll see about Haley
     
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    Good! Then you understand that the Wehrmacht's commanders had been unofficially instructed to prepare invasion scenarios against the Soviet Union since 1935 (the Russians were aware as early as 1936 of an attack plan called "the Eastern Campaign", according to Russian military historian, Arsen Martirosyan).

    You remember that General Guderian and most of the rest of the higher-ranking field commanders had felt that Britain and France would declare war after the Anschluss, but when that didn't happen, and when nothing happened after Germany swallowed up Czechoslovakia, the Germans felt they could go straight on with their plans for invasion of the Soviet Union and began massing divisions and materiel accordingly.

    Hitler showed little interest in diving into hostilities with Britain or anyone else but the Soviet Union, even after Britain declared war in 1939... and this was made quite clear in the "Phony War" and "Stizkrieg" period of virtual stand-still in 'the West' that I've already pointed out. But, as we've seen, along came Churchill in spring of 1940 and Germany's emphasis changed from preparing for invasion of the Soviet Union to crushing opposition in Western Europe and Britain. The rest, as they say, is history.

    Now, about Nikki Haley! Although we appear to agree on so little so often, you frequently offer opinions that are interesting to consider in contrast. That said, what do you make of Nikki Haley? I may feel that I've got World War II 'figured out' but I'm not able to predict who Trump is going to pick for a running mate. Any ideas? :confusion:
     
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    Sorry for entering one note about Norway. The Germans wanted Norway for a number of different reasons, not least of which was to further prepare for its invasion of the Soviet Union. Reichsmarine commander, Karl Dönitz, was well aware that the best way to bottle Russia up was in cutting off its sea lanes in and out of Murmansk (as well as through the Baltic Sea and the Gulf of Finland). This made taking Norway, which would provide vital support for more northerly German Navy operations a high priority. Britain made a total screwed-up mess out of the Norway "campaign", but that's another story for a different thread, someday.

    OK, honestly, that's it for WWII... now, Nikki Haley. Somehow I just cannot see her on a Republican ticket as Trump's vice-president. Hell, after what Mike Pence went through, who would even WANT to be...? :cynic:
     
  5. Durandal

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    Apparently he is already praising Elise Stefanik and the rumors are flying.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...e-stefanik-as-a-potential-vp-pick/ar-AA1n94qp

    She would certainly be a much better fit as a VP for him. Next time Saffron Suharto tries to steal an election he loses, she'll probably be right beside him all the way, and of course she ticks the "minority" box for him as well.
     
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    Your obsession with gender and skin color is YOUR issue, not anyone else's. Only YOU can put in the work to heal from it.

    Why would anyone even bother to focus on her? She has no chance at winning the nomination. "We The People" have already chosen Trump. There's no reason to continue this facade that someone else stands a chance.
     
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    Yes, it is. It belongs to you and you alone, and only you can put in the work to cleanse yourself from it.

    Continued QED of above. It's about who decides to run for the position and who voters believe is the best person for the job (IF a valid election is held). Conservatives don't obsess over gender and skin color as Liberals do.

    The Democrat Party has been racist ever since its inception, founding the KKK, funding the KKK, not wanting black skinned people to be free, or to vote, or to have civil rights. Even to this very day, the Democrat Party is STILL the party of racism and hatred, except nowadays they tend to target people with white skin instead of people with black skin (aka "antiwhiteism").

    Projection.
     
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    That they are! At least you got THAT right! :)

    Actually, it is the "cocktail club" "establishment" Republican who is "stuck in reverse". They are stuck trying to appeal to a "well-off" and "suburbia" voting base (think Paul Ryan and Ben Shapiro) that is only dwindling in numbers as the years go by and who are totally disconnected from the typical "middle-class" (now becoming "poor class") commoner. Establishment Republicans who continue to run campaigns in such a manner will only continue to be losers.

    It is the Trump-led "America First" (MAGA) movement that is looking into and embracing the future. They are the ones who are appealing to the "becoming-poor-class" Main Street commoner of ALL colors and creeds. There's a plethora of reasons why Trump appeals to blacks and hispanics MUCH more than any typical establishment Republican does.

    While the cocktail-club Republicans can only appeal to the ever dwindling cocktail-club base of suburbia, "America First" not only squeezes out every little ounce of milk from rural America, but it also makes significant inroads with urban America (even gaining just a few percentage points in urban areas is a BIG deal). While "America First" loses some ground within suburbia compared to the establishment Republicans, the gains made within both urban AND rural America MUCH more than make up for it.

    Only an America First populist like Donald Trump can win in the Rust Belt. In fact, he's the only Republican in recent history since Reagan to do so. Why is that? For starters, Trump actually understands and brings to light the plight of Michigan auto workers, Wisconsin and Iowa farmers, etc etc... Cocktail-club Republicans don't give a rip about those hard working Americans and join the Democrats in constantly selling them out, favoring the elitist globalist multinational corporatist "eat the bugs" agenda coming from Davos.

    What makes you think that? I've yet to get into an accident while reversing, and most accidents actually happen while driving forward.

    Not true.

    I have no idea what point you are trying to make here.

    Florida is currently only "deep red" due to Trump's "America First" movement that appeals to the hispanics there. Without it, Florida is pretty 50/50, maybe even a "light blue". Even take a look at DeSantis's history there. He only won his primary for 1st term governor because Trump endorsed him. He only won his first term as governor because Trump endorsed him. He only rode a landslide into his 2nd term because he built up some (now clearly fake) MAGA bonafides, and Floridians thought that DeSantis would continue to be their governor while Trump would be their President. DeSantis then backstabbed Trump and now some elections in Florida have started to go the Democrats' way again. Trump will win Florida in a "deep red colored" landslide this November, but otherwise, Florida (if they don't embrace MAGA) will turn a light shade of blue once again.

    The complete opposite is true, actually. See above.
     
  9. dairyair

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    No, it's the obsession with the voters in the R party. That's why only 3% of their party is black. Most won't vote black. Simple. You've been shown this multiple times.
    Stay home then, no need to vote.
     
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    You are not understanding what I post. At all. Here's a chart.
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    See how few blacks make it in the R party? Actions. Actions is what is telling. Republicans in general won't vote for them.
     
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    Yeah, keep that religious level "faith" but the Trump party hasn't won since 2017.........time to face stark reality. he's going to seriously again and look at what happened the last time. This time the stakes are even higher for Criminal Defendant Trump. What will he ask you to do when he loses in Nov2024? It ain't rocketry but keep denying reality.
     
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    The same way people vote for Biden despite knowing his dementia. Party.
     
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    The problem is DEI overrides merit as a quality.
    Do you really need someone to tell you these things?
     
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    Show me.
     
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    I prefer you look it up yourself.
     
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    Your WW2 narrative is uninformed.
    I doubt she would accept it if offered.
     
  17. conservaliberal

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    Thank you for the link. Honestly, I had not ever heard of her before, but I don't live anywhere near up-state New York. She's a millennial, and she's female, which are two important considerations in the 21st-century. But, she's the wrong color... White.... Still, as you point out, she may make an excellent running mate for Trump, even though, as before, I predict that Republicans will endure a convincing loss in November no matter who they nominate.
     
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    Yeah, my 'gut' tells me you're right about Haley. Besides, in just the last hour, I've learned from your colleague, @Durandal about a possible new running mate for Trump named Elise Stefanik. She may be a lot more congenial to Trump's way of thinking than Nikki Haley.

    One observation about what appears to be an almost-inevitable "World War III", we could still effectively 'bottle-up' Russia by blockading the Bosporus and Dardanelles Straits, the Gulf of Finland, AND, Murmansk! Otherwise, it's a long, long haul from the Urals to Vladivostok! Maybe old Admiral Dönitz had a superior idea after all....
     
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    You had a very usable sentence going until you capitalized "du" and "dich". Those are only capitalized in German at the beginning of sentences.... Google's translator typically doesn't pick these things up, but next time try using DeepL , type in the English sentence and let DeepL do the translating for you:

    Thus: "Well, I realize that you need some help. I'm always here for you, poisoned one." becomes "Nun, mir ist klar, dass du etwas Hilfe brauchst. Ich bin immer für dich da, du Vergifteter." :nana:

    But, hey, once again, thank you for telling us about Elise Stefanik!
     
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    She's the Congresswoman who took down the three Ivy League college presidents on anti-semitism.
     
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    https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/Gross-oder-Kleinschreibung-von-duDu-und-ihrIhr

    Man merkt auch, daß Du Dich selbst immer noch mit "wir" und "uns" beschreibst, Vergifteter. Das habe ich immer etwas komisch gefunden. Meinst Du damit Deine Kollegen?
     
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    Don't you think I did that very thing before asking you where you saw it?
    From yesterday ...
    The former president garnered 50 percent of support among likely New Hampshire Republican primary voters. Former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley came in second place with 34 percent support and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis drew 5 percent support.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/17/trump-new-hampshire-poll-00136038

    Now ... you show me where you saw 40% Trump to 40% Haley
     
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    So they are NOT disconnected/removed as one suggested. You did in fact.
    That's a problem partisan voters have.
    And a problem, IMO, of having political parties.
     
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    That's your opinion. And a bad one, IMO.
    Merit is always a quality.
     
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    Funny. I never hear any of them bring up skin color in discussions with them. Yet, every single response that you've given me not only brings it up, but also bases argumentation solely upon it, ignoring all other possibilities for the results that you mention and assuming that those results must be because of racism.

    Conservative voters don't choose their representatives based on their skin color, dude. That's what LIBERALS do. Same with gender.

    Continued QED of your racism. ---> "vote black" .... .WTF?!?!?! Why would you base your voting on the color of one's skin? Oh, that's right, because of your racism.


    Let me know when you're ready to call out the NFL and the NBA for what you believe to be their antiwhiteism......... Until then, you aren't even being consistent with your own flawed reasoning...
     

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