Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

Actually, you're the one who has it wrong. The Israelis accepted the UN partition. The Arabs rejected it and opted for war. The Israelis defended themselves. Please see O Jerusalem! by Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre.

 

Baloney. They didn't come in killing anyone until they were attacked by every Muslim country in the region.

The "palestinians" and surrounding Muslim countries could have chosen peace and worked out borders that worked for everyone.

They didn't do that. They chose to exterminate the Jews by banding together and attacking them constantly for 80 years.

Now the people that chose conflict and the constant murder of Jews have lost. They are reaping the results of being on the losing side of trying to exterminate Jews. Too bad. They should have chosen peace.

Yeah great. SA is with allied with someone else other than North Korea and Iran. Good for them.

 

Muslims don't accept Jews at all.

That's why they kill them no matter what country they are in, be they Israeli's or not.

 

The ALA started the conflict, and were joined by every other Muslim country in the region.

You can feel bad for people who had the stated goal of exterminating every Jew in the region if you want.

They're just reaping what they've sown.

 

A residential area with rocket launchers isn't a residential area: it's a military target.

The building of the rocket launchers in residential areas is the war crime, not the bombing of them.

 

Deir Yassin massacre

The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948, when around 130[1] fighters from the Zionist paramilitary groups Irgun and Lehi killed at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children, in Deir Yassin, a village of roughly 600 people near Jerusalem...

The massacre was condemned by the leadership of the Haganah, and the Jewish Agency for Palestine sent Jordan's King Abdullah a letter of apology, which he rebuffed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_...ite an original boast by,be between 12 and 50.

The Deir Yassin massacre massacre happened long after Arabs initiated the use of violence against Jews. Jewish authorities apologized for it. When have Arabs, and particularly Palestinians apologized for terrorist attacks on Jews?

 

You didn't respond to anything I said.

Yup. just like the colonists accepted the treatment and relocation of American Indians. Just like a child accepts candy.

Deir Yasin.

 

The Amalekites ~ 3000 years ago attempted to annihilate the Children of Israel fleeing Egypt just as the goal of Hamas is to annihilate all Jews and the nation of Israel. That’s the reality.

 

The bottom line is that Palestinians lived there with Jews for many, many years, and "Israelis" showed up with a British mandate in hand and drove out the indigenous population of Palestinians. They could have requested asylum but they wanted a "Jewish state". And after getting it they continually seek to expand it and take more Palestinian homes and land to get it.

 

That is not correct. There was a civil war in Israel in 1948 initiated by the Arabs. Later in 1948 five Arab countries combined attacked Israel. Israel won that war and as a result expanded their territory. The war perpetrated by the Arab nations to destroy Israel backfired.

 

Again that is not correct. The territory wa part of the Ottoman Empire for 400 years. Britain took control immediately after WWI. They issued the Balfour Declaration but the partition into the two states did not occur until after WWII when the United Nations agreed on the Partition Plan of 1947. There was no effort by the British to drive Arabs out of the area.

 

By the time Deir Yassin occurred, Israel had already accepted the partition, the Arabs had rejected it, and begun their attempted invasion of Israel. The Israelis had an internationally recognized right to be there, and they had (and have) a right to defend themselves.

 

The Zionists later took over this task.

 

Israel has always fought defensively. The Arabs have initiated all of the conflicts.

 

Yup. The invaders accepted the co-conspirator's invitation to invade.

Yup. The victims rejected victimhood.

As the colonists had an internationally undisputed "right" to attack and displace American Indians.

Invasion, squatting, and ethnic cleansing is not a "right". The Israelis had a DUTY to pack up and LEAVE when the indigenous population objected to their methods after having first invited the Jews to settle and live peacefully among them.

 

The Arabs have a moral obligation to live in peace with Jews as is the case in Israel.

 

I now respond to Kode who stated to me:

"So genocide is not limited to fascism. Again, I never said it is. If you're going to quote and/or criticize what I write, please be accurate."

Practice what you preach. I never stated you claimed genocide is limited to fascism. I said you inferred it by using the term "fascist like" and by refusing to define what "facist like" means. I said you used the term "fascist like" to leave yourself wiggle room to say what you now stated above right on cue and to defend to your clumsy inference Israel defending itself against Hamas and Zionists are both fascists and committing genocide in Gaza. On cue you not only prove what I said with the above comment but also falsely stated what I actually stated while telling me to be accurate. Lol.

Here is what I actually said and you can clearly say I never stated you said genocide is not limited to fascism.

"1. Genocide is not specific to or limited to fascist policy. The term fascist like is simply an attempt by you to leave yourself an open ended definition to call anything you want fascist if its not. Its a transparent technique and you need to know it fools no one. Fascist ideology is specific. It started with Mussolini and then Hitler and then Franco of Spain and became popular in Argentina with Person and Stroessner in Paraguay and with specific Greek politicians.

You should be well aware genocide was not and has never been limited to people who support fascist ideology or your attempt to suggest anyone who has engaged in genocide is fascist like without defining what fascism is to mean what fascist like is.

Not withstanding your lazy attempt to throw out meaningless stereotypes a list of genocides across history time lines would make it clear most genocides happened long before fascism appeared.

I assume from the above reference to "fascist like" you are young and rely heavily on specific web sites you scan to them believe you are an authority on genocide.

Here start with this list from wikepedia as I doubt if I give you a history text reference you would read it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

No calling them all fascist like won't work."

 

Not disputing the fact that Hamas doesn't care much for the Evil Occupiers .. and would happily annihilate them. Would you not like to annihilate an oppressor trying to slaughter your family and ethnically cleanse you from the land ?

Genocidal intent - "From the River to the Sea" .. as was done to the Amalek. We need to arm the Palestinians so they can defend themselves from the Genocidal onslaught by the Evil Occupiers.

 

That is exactly what Israel is doing now. They are in the process of annihilating Hamas who has, continues to, and is bound by their charter to slaughter Israeli families and destroy Israel. They are completely justified in doing so.

The Amalekites were pursuing the Jews fleeing from Egypt.

 

I again to respond to comments of Kobe to me.

Kobe stated:

"It is common for Zionists and supporters of Zionism to claim that anti-Zionism is antisemitism, and all you need do to see it is to consider the response in Congress when Ilhan Omar stood in opposition to Zionism. "

You throw out a false accusation with no sources. You provide no quotes from any Zionist claiming someone was an anti-semite let alone if they called someone that their grounds for so doing. You fabricated the allegation and you repeat it again.

Whether a reference to Zionism is anti semitic or not would depend on its context and wording as you are well aware.

The above allegation you bring up again has nothing to do with the thread and the fact that you now parrot back Omar in a speech you did not cite to again try deflect from your inability to defend homicide or address its speeches and doctrine which call the for the genocide of Jews world wide speaks loudly and again it is a clumsy deflection and pointless. You try engage as if you and any supporter of Hamas and its doctrine to exterminate Jews as a victim and anyone who supports Hamas as being unjustly accused of being anti-semitic. The hatred for all Jews by Hamas which inspire it to do what it did on Oct. 7 and its other attacks against Jews worldwide not just in Gaza create in support of its doctrine to kill off all the world's Jews (genocide) is precisely what you try deflect from yet a second time and now you quote Omar as if that makes your deflection more credible. Why did you not cite what she actually said and the comments accusing what she said of being anti-semitic and let people decide? Why do you hide what she said? You think using that technique of spitting out ambiguous unproven allegations proves your point? No if shows you can't support your point otherwise you would provide the words and let people see for themselves their content. You did not and will not just as you will continue to deflect and hide and refuse to acknowledge Hamas has a doctrine calling for the genocide of Jews and referring to all Gaza civilians as martyrs who can be used as shields to die to carry out this aim. You refuse to discuss the deliberate doctrine that is killing Gaza civilians-Hamas using them as shields.

I will discuss how people like you twist the definition of genocide to deliberately engage in the tired canard that Jews are doing to Palestinians what happened to Jews in Europe during the holoaust. It is nothing more than a recycle of holocaust inversion a technique to accuse Israelis and people who support its right to be a Jewish state as Nazis while staying silent on the fact that Hamas and Hezbollah originate from Arab nationalist groups who openly admired and were trained by Nazis to exterminate all Jews world wide. You try accuse Jews of genocide knowing what Hamas stands for, knowing its leaders openly applaud what Hitler did and agree with it and claim they wish to continue it but adding in references to it being a holy war.

You stated:

" She and others have been forced to apologize for "antisemitism" when what they said was not antisemitism at all. And you can thank the Zionist lobby for that bit of distortion and coercion."

Again you try focus on the above issue to deflect from your inability to defend what Hamas has done. Have the integrity to cite what you claim and put it on another thread not this one as it has nothing to do with this subject matter on this thread. Stop derailing and deflecting and be intellectually honest and provide the full context of what she said before you can expect anyone to respond to your point.

You said:

"If Hamas were being targeted, Hamas terrorists should at least comprise half the deaths, but it turns out that Israeli estimates are that 70% to 80% of those the IDF has killed are Palestinian civilians, and of those about 70% have been women and children. In addition, "the Israeli military has repeatedly dropped leaflets and sent messages telling residents they must leave their homes and 'evacuate' to areas it claims are safer, which are south of the Wadi Gaza wetlands." And then the IDF bombed them in those areas. But you say Palestinians are only being killed because you believe the Zionist propaganda that says it's because Hamas holes up in Palestinian residential areas."

The fact that Israel drops leaflets shows its intent to try avoid killing Palestinian civilians. In genocides the faction engaging in genocide has never given the either side warnings to leave. You just proved an intent not to target civilians by IDF through the leaflets.

Then you go on and state more Hamas would die than civilians if they were not engaging in genocide. No the reason more civilians die is because there are many more of them then Hamas so basic math would tell you more will die. Next Gaza has a 50% amount of children. If Israel was engaging in genocide why are so many children being born?

The UN defines genocide as “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group,” including systematic killing, imposing conditions designed to “bring about (the group’s) physical destruction” and “imposing measures intended to prevent births.”

You admit Israel warns Gaza civilians to flee.

Now let us talk the kind of facts yoou will not and that is commonly genocide becomes readily apparent when looking at population estimates. There were over 16.7-million Jews globally in 1939, but by the end of the Holocaust in 1945, that number had dropped to 11 million. Likewise, Rwanda was home to 7.9-million people in 1993, but by 1995, fewer than 5.7 million remained. So comparing them or other genocides as being the same as the one in Palestine is false.

In fact the Palestinian territories, have had a population boom since the Six-Day War. According to the UN, in 1967, there were 1.1-million Palestinians living in the territories. The latest Palestinian census, conducted by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics in 2017, showed a combined population in Gaza and the West Bank of nearly 4.8 million, excluding Jewish settlements. Today, that number has risen to over 5.3 million, according to UN data. How does that prove genocide?

What it proves there was no systematic elimination of the Palestinian people nor has there been any attempt to control birth rates: in the West Bank, women have an average of 3.54 children; in Gaza, 3.38. This is a higher fertility rate than in Israel (2.94) and more than twice as high as Canada (1.57).

If anything the tragedy is that civilians in Gaza now die precisely because Hamas uses them as shields and deliberately built their operations underneath where civilians lived so that they could hide behind them as shields if Israel rights back and then use their deaths to gain sympathy in the West and have people like you try engage in holocaust inversion. No one is buying it anymore. Gaza's behaviour on Oct. 7 clearly expose its doctrine and hatred of all Jews not just Israeli ones and its willingness to mutilate, torture, rape and kill innocent Jews not just Gaza civilians.

" I've taken a stand against Hamas terrorists. "

Provide the words where you have. You have not. You do not acknowledge they advocate the genocide of Jews. You do not acknowledge this is why they did what they did in Oct.7. You won't discuss that or their deliberate chose to use Gaza civilians as shields to die. You try to twist Israel's trying to stop Hamas from killing its own citizens and citizens of Israel as genocide.

 

Again in response to Kobe-K stated:


" Osama Bin Laden????????

Any reader of this now knows you're desperately reaching. And what about your honesty when you now reach for Bin Laden in an attempt to vilify me, implying I'm a supporter of terrorists? Pretty despicable tactics![/QUOTE]


I never discussed the above ever.

 

I'm done arguing against nonsense and bullshit.

 

Violence against Jews in Palestine long predated Zionism.
Your conflation of a UN peace settlement with colonization is bizarre.

 

I believe your fear is aimed at the wrong target.

 

Name the modern day Muslim country that's killed 30,000 Jews in 100 days. Muslims living under a murderous, military occupation in Palestine would be suicidal to accept the psychotic Jews killing them. Israel believes it is entitled to control all land between the River and the sea; do you agree? If so, how many additional Muslim children are you willing to martyr?