Ohio senate overrides governor and blocks trans youth from receiving care

And a minor rarely has a sex change operation..The majority want mental support.

 

really? so children ought to be able to marry, drink booze, buy guns, vote, get married etc

free will after all

 

what do you define as "free will"

a nine year old wanting his johnson cut off or her boobs removed?

 

Damn right, it was okay for the Founders and the early Pilgrims, and its good enough for us.

 

That rarely ever happens since it costs a lot of money to do such a procedure.Do you stop people from having boob enhancements, plastic surgery, rhinoplasty, penis extension, and height increase surgeries, I mean the hypocrisy is dripping. Not to mention those crazy people who talk to invisible super-beings and sky fairies sound a little schizophrenic, but it is certainly ok in our society.

 

Which is also virtually unfunded in this nation

Because of the same party

The same party that is forcing children to have their rapists child or women to carry their dying fetus

The same party defunding WIC and school lunch programs

The same party flipping out because their underwater razor wire is being removed as to not entrap people

And Ironically enough, the same people that scream they worship a loving and forgiving god

 

But don't you worry they believe in Jesus Christ and are going to paradise.

 

I recall seeing some studies that suggested that the mental health outcomes of those who have what is politely called "gender affirming surgery" compared to those who did not, is not that good. And I guess here is my main point-I have ZERO I repeat ZERO use for those who push guys competing against girls in an order to try to make trans appear more "normal"/ and when you point out that such nonsense is unfair to real women and girls, the alphabet warriors start screaming "transphobic"/
So more than a few people who oppose trans in girls sports have become far less amenable to supporting other parts of the alphabet agenda because of the absolute idiocy of those who think failed male athletes should be able to compete in female sports or worse yet (like CT) boys can merely claim to "identify as females" (no hormones,no castration etc) can compete against girls

 

I'm agnostic but I do see lots of hatred towards people of faith by the alphabet agenda supporters. and I have almost as little use for the bible thumpers who scream that gays, lesbians etc are "sinners" or worse.

 

Nice guess and that is all you product is a nice guess...

How does gender-affirming surgery affect mental health?


The study found the odds of receiving mental health treatment were reduced by 8% for every year since receiving gender-affirming surgery over the 10-year follow-up period. They did not find the same association for hormone treatment. more than six times as likely to have been hospitalized after a suicide attempt.

The authors conclude that “In this first total population study of transgender individuals with a gender incongruence diagnosis, the longitudinal association between gender-affirming surgery and reduced likelihood of mental health treatment lends support to the decision to provide gender-affirming surgeries to transgender individuals who seek them.”
Study Finds Long-Term Mental Health Benefits of Gender-Affirming ...

What is gender incongruence? Gender incongruence is the term used to describe when your gender is different to when you were born. People with gender incongruence may describe themselves as transgender (trans) or gender diverse.

Gender incongruence - Healthdirect


https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/news-releases/study-finds-long-term-mental-health-benefits-of-ge#:~:text=The study found the odds,same association for hormone treatment.&text=more than six times as,hospitalized after a suicide attempt.



What is the regret rate for gender-affirming surgery?

Proponents of these policies often speculate that TGD individuals who undergo gender-affirming surgeries (GAS) would later regret their decision to undergo such procedures. Despite this supposed fear, evidence suggests that less than 1% of TGD individuals who receive GAS report surgical regret. Dec 27, 2023

Postoperative Regret Among Transgender and Gender-Diverse ...

 

studies are all over the place
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11930-023-00358-x

Results of long-term studies of adult transgender populations failed to demonstrate convincing improvements in mental health, and some studies suggest that there are treatment-associated harms. The purpose of this review is to clarify concerns about the rapid proliferation of hormonal and surgical care for the record numbers of youth declaring transgender identities and seeking gender reassignment procedures.

Recent Findings
Systematic reviews of evidence conducted by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, and England concluded that the risk/benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable.

 

They don't have to be directly involved to not affect "findings".

And of the two, pharma vs politician, at least a politician will, at times, listen to more than just money. They need to in order to stay in power. Pharma only listens to money.

Yeah, and guardians can abuse children. :shrug: We still regulate against that. Seriously, what's to stop a guardian from pushing their child into believing that they need NEED transgender therapy? There are guardians pushing their kids to have sex with them and "love" them in "that way" and that its perfectly natural to do so. So whats to stop them from pushing transgenderism onto their child? There's a reason that even guardians are banned from giving "consent" for certain things.

According to Britannica it encompasses more than just that.

LINK: Body modifications and mutilations | Cultural Practices & Rituals | Britannica

Injecting synthetic hormones would fall under that part I bolded. And the effects of those synthetic hormones would fall under other parts of the above. Like I said, just depends on your POV.

 

They are viable at 9 months... Why would you kill the baby before you remove the baby?

 

Kids want candy. Without it, they throw more temper tantrums. You should be sure to always give kids candy or else you’ll have high rates of kids throwing temper tantrums

Or

you can actually learn how to parent

 

I've never seen a post of yours condemning circumcision.

 

Jenner is also an adult, and has the right.

 

My insurance is cheaper and better because of the ACA. Not $2500 cheaper, but cheaper none the less. I do know a Muslim and are friends with a couple of gay folks. Nice couple, and their kids are good kids.

I said I know of a couple that transitioned, not that I know them personally though.

 

Or, now hear me out, and this may sound crazy to folks that despise homosexuals and trans people, we live in a society that is far more accepting of other people.

I know, mind blowing, right?

 

So you want politicians to make healthcare decisions for the rest of the nation because you feel they are less susceptible to bribery and influence from money than medical boards?

I have heard some batshit takes in my lifetime but… wow

Because it’s not just guardians. It’s guardians having to authorize treatment recommended by a medical professional after a psychiatric evaluation from another doctor, and only with the consent of both the medical institution and accrediting organizations.

But you’ve got politicians elected through a gerrymandered process that you trust more because it fits your agenda.

Thats not what the area in bold means but you can believe whatever you want to believe.

 

Extreme medical emergency in all cases — these are not elective.

Less than 1.3% of all abortions happen after week 22 and abortions happening at 32 weeks or more are so rare that there is typically only one or zero each year. The most recent case I can find is an abortion for one twin who had Spina Bifida and its brain had developed outside of its skull and its spine was exposed.

 

With issues like this, I'm guilty of ignoring the curtain and looking behind it. That is often unpopular; but then reality often is.

This starts with a very basic problem, that of a person being unhappy and unable to accept themselves. This is a psychological issue- usually not a genuine mental defect, but an inability to manage ones' own thinking process.

Most of us know that we can think ourselves into depression by dwelling on negatives. Some of us know we can also reverse that by dwelling on positives. Either action changes our feelings, our perception of the world, of our opportunities, and most importantly, of ourselves. This can be dangerous. Those who find themselves or their lives totally intolerable feel a great need to escape. Some- will commit suicide. Some will abandon the past and all its connections, change their name and identity; re-invent themselves as someone else, somewhere else. Recently, the idea escaping yourself by changing your gender has become a popular choice.

The problem is that a person taking that path is running from themselves, trying to deceive themselves- but despite the extent of the deception, always knowing they are the same person and that the person they pretend to be- is a fake. What the transgender movement does is ask society to play along with this delusion, help convince them the fake person is real, and the real person was the fake. Some kind of cruel injustice of nature that has been fixed. Doesn't work, because the root cause not only still exists, but has become stronger.

It makes no difference if the altered appearance is extremely good, or extremely bad- the person inside always knows, 24/7, that they are fake. In many cases, it's also a life sentence, with irreversible conditions that prevent the individual from ever being able to see themselves as legitimate in either gender. That is a devastating condition psychologically.

I can't support the idea of government or society helping to impose that on anyone.

 

They make medical decisions for everyone in the US all the time. They just normally don't do it as directly.

Do you know why doctors are call "Practicing MD's"? Because they're still practicing their craft.

Jokes aside I can't count how many times medical professionals have gotten things wrong. Same with, and especially true of psychiatrists.

LINK: 12 million Americans misdiagnosed each year - CBS News

And we have doctors misdiagnosing patients to the tune of 12 million per year. And it actually has nothing to do with "trust". Has to do with checks and balances. The medical field is no more trustworthy than our politicians.

Like I said, just depends on your POV. It is a fact that synthetic hormones are foreign materials from the body that its entered into. It might be considered "acceptable", but its still technically a foreign material.

 

Are you really trying to compare a nuanced medical and psychological condition that teams of doctors have to be involved with — to a child wanting candy.

Jesus. Do kids frequently kill themselves over candy?

Fine, using your scenario, are you ok with the government stepping in and telling the parents and child that they cannot have the candy?

 

Old women get testosterone treatments.

The hormone testosterone may boost sex drive for some women after menopause. But there's little research on how safe it is and how well it works over the long term. It also can cause side effects. Menopause happens naturally with age. Apr 22, 2023

Testosterone therapy in women: Does it boost sex drive?

 

Who's it going to have a larger effect on? Old women? Or children that haven't even gone through puberty and are still growing and developing?

Plus...well...you know, old women are able to make decisions rationally while children are generally barred from entering into agreements because they are incapable of making long term rational informed decisions.

Plus, here's the kicker.... No one cares if adults decide to have sex changes or hormone therapies. The ones that are "objecting to trans issues" only want to be sure children are not convinced into something that has life time effects that may very well ruin their lives, and that they are not allowed into sports that doesn't conform to their biological sex, and are not forced into addressing someone a certain way. Beyond those three things, no one really cares that adults choose to be transgender and live their life however they want.