U.S. Supreme Court says Texas can’t block federal agents from the border

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Both parties exploit illegal immigration for political purposes. Dems go the extra mile and incentivize it.

    I don't blame them. This problem is our fault. Americans care more about making the other party look bad than they care about humanity. The pain and suffering that illegal immigration causes is an acceptable price for votes.
     
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    So now feeling the cartel also enriches them? Is there anything that doesn’t?
     
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    Im not sure I understand your question, but my question is why people are seeking asylum in the first place. My point is that incentivizing/tolerating illegal immigration is not from a position of concern for humanity. It makes things worse back home, and here. Did you know that the cartels have members working here in the US? Do you know what they do?
     
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    The system that is set up is still the same no matter who is in charge....
     
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    Got it, they should stay home and serve the cartels to avoid the cartels benefiting from them not doing that.
     
  6. Doofenshmirtz

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    You are incorrect. Both parties are not offering sanctuary and free healthcare.

    The ability for cartels to impost their authority on the poor people back home is in direct proportion to the level of resources they control. Illegal immigration equals more resources, more control, more people suffering. The position of incentivizing illegal immigration is not one from a position of genuine concern for humanity.
     
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    Actually, they should fight to make their country better.. You know, like the one they are ILLEGALLY invading :) In fact, instead of pissing billions away on corrupt Ukraine we should *coughs* invite the oppressed of Mexico to demand annexation and the U.S. intervention..

    WELL IF! Things are as bad as they CLAIM they are and running away from ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  8. Patricio Da Silva

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    Well, SCOTUS sided with Biden admin.
     
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    How do dems “incentivize it” ?

    We do care about humanity, but at some point “humanity” gets lost in the overcrowding……we are at that point in America. We cannot house the world polupaltion, so any some point we need to draw a line, and we are very close right now
     
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    The OP is not about CO and ME 14th amendment.
     
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    No no no, don’t change now. You’ve also said legal immigration benefits them
     
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    The Biden administration has a immigration bill, the best deal that republicans will ever get, but Johnson won't put it to the floor for debate/amendments etc., because Trump doesn't want to give Biden a win.

    FYI there's nothing in my comment by which you can infer the premise of your question-- but let my support of that bill answer your question.

    The simple truth is republicans don't want to fix the border. They just want to bellyache in order to score cheap political points to get Trump elected. Trump and republicans are putting party above country.
     
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    The Biden administration has a immigration bill, the best deal that republicans will ever get, but Johnson won't put it to the floor for debate/amendments etc., because Trump doesn't want to give Biden a win.

    The simple truth is republicans don't want to fix the border. They just want to bellyache in order to score cheap political points to get Trump elected. Trump and republicans are putting party above country.
     
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    They WANT mass illegal immigration. They WANT an invasion. They WANT the system to be overwhelmed.
     
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    Good! Let them in! More buses to NYC and Chicago ASAP! oh, and Martha's vineyard too, lets not forget how accommodating they were to the ILLEGALS last time
     
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    The truth is that bill is a steaming pile of turds. They don't need a bill. they just need MORE BUSES!
     
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    Superficial at best. however, it is important to note The 5-4 order from the Supreme Court vacated a previous injunction from the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that prevented Border Patrol agents from cutting the concertina wire.

    An interesting POV here is that effectively, the Biden administration is ordering their Border Patrol folks to break US law, which, unfortunately, was not a part of the inductive relief. Wait for it, this will rise again to the SCOTUS. The apple gets many bites.

    Leave it to @Patricio Da Silva to try and spin whole cloth from such a narrowly decided ruling. But, I suppose, when your war chest of ideology is as bare as the one PDS draws from, I suppose we have to endure these trumped up threads of premature celebration....
     
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    No, against children. Children are likely to encounter the barbed wire at the texas border, but not at the WH.
     
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    To accuse Republicans of bellyaching about the border when they won't support the immigration bill doesn't trivialize the border issue,. that's specious logic.

    In fact, if republicans had any caring about humanity, they wouldn't block Ukraine funding, given that Putin is persecuting children in Ukraine, and then tie it to the immigration bill, (in other words, Repubs won't sign the immigration bill unless they get Ukraine blocked) which they know for Dems not funding Ukraine is a non-starter. Ukraine is of tremendous strategic importance for the United States, this works for their agenda because then they can blame the border problem on dems, when, in fact, they are to blame.

    Zero tolerance results in separating parents from children for a misdemeanor, and opposing zero tolerance doesn't equal incentivizing. Opposing denying asylum seekers the right to seek asylum doesn't equal incentivizing, it's a humanitarian right (per international law) for anyone who qualifies.

    If you were at all concerned about 'humanity', you would support:

    1. Funding for Ukraine
    2. Repeal of zero tolerance
    3. Support allowing those who qualify for asylum to be granted it (it's about 39%)
    3. Supporting Biden's immigration bill.

    Please do not preach to me about 'humanity' or 'humanitarianism' if you do not support the above.
     
  20. Patricio Da Silva

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    The barbed wire at the WH is way up high, out of reach to children, but at the ground level in TX.

    See the difference?
     
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    I already agreed that both parties exploit this issue for political gain. Your party goes the extra mile and incentivizes illegal immigration. There is no way to make an honest case that it is out of genuine concern for humanity. We don't need a bill to enforce existing immigration laws, if any party ever decides to do so.

    The "likely" part comes from incentives. Perhaps "Free candy" on the other side of the fence will change the likelihood.
     
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    I already agreed with you on Republicans. On this issue, Dems are worse. Please try to stay on topic.
     
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    Bullshit
    When did children start climbing razor wire?
     
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    Nothing spells 'steaming pile of turds' more than simplistic reasoning.

    And what is simplisticism? It means treating something complex at a simple level, but so much so that it is unworkable, not up to the scope and depth of the problem. AKA "reductio ad absurdum"

    "more buses' is simplistic, and reveals you do not have a grasp on the complexity of the problem.

    President Biden's immigration bill, known as the U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021, includes several key provisions aimed at modernizing the U.S. immigration system. Here are the main bullet points:

    1. Provide Pathways to Citizenship & Strengthen Labor Protections:
      • Create a roadmap to citizenship for undocumented individuals, allowing them to apply for temporary legal status and then green cards after five years if they meet certain requirements. This includes immediate eligibility for Dreamers, TPS holders, and immigrant farmworkers.
      • Reform the family-based immigration system by clearing backlogs, recapturing unused visas, eliminating lengthy wait times, and increasing per-country visa caps.
      • Include the NO BAN Act to prohibit discrimination based on religion and increase Diversity Visas to 80,000 from 55,000.
      • Promote immigrant and refugee integration and citizenship through funding for various programs.
      • Improve the employment-based visa system, including clearing backlogs and providing work authorization for dependents of H-1B visa holders.
    2. Prioritize Smart Border Controls:
      • Supplement border resources with technology and infrastructure.
      • Manage the border and protect border communities, including training and education for agents and officers, and creating a Border Community Stakeholder Advisory Committee.
      • Enhance prosecution of individuals involved in smuggling and trafficking networks.
    3. Address Root Causes of Migration:
      • Implement a $4 billion plan to address migration causes in Central America.
      • Create safe and legal channels for people to seek protection, including establishing Designated Processing Centers in Central America.
    Additionally, the Biden administration has taken actions to increase border enforcement and accelerate processing for work authorizations due to the Congress' failure to enact comprehensive immigration reform. These actions include:

    • Increasing enforcement across the Southwest Border and accelerating the processing of work authorizations.
    • Redesignating and extending Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for Venezuela.
    • Expanding the Family Expedited Removal Management (FERM) program nationwide.
    • Increasing the holding and processing capacity of DHS.
    • Working with international partners to speed up removals and returns.
    • Improving the processing of work authorizations and directly communicating with work-eligible individuals, including accelerating processing for Employment Authorization Document applications.
    These measures demonstrate the administration's efforts to create a more efficient, humane, and secure immigration system.

    Now, what do Republicans propose to do about it? Because 'closing the border' is not an immigration policy. In fact, it's a meaningless statement.
     
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