Will you support Trump if he is convicted of a crime?

Most of the country should be concerned over a president working to stop the democratic process to transfer power to the duly elected person chosen by the voters.

Granted, those who don't want law and order, or those wishing to upend the constitution have shown no respect for our country will fight like hell to keep the unelected in power. They are members of MAGA.
Anti democracy group.

 

He's been very cagey, and used lawyers to protect him. He hasn't been "prosecuted" yet. He's using every trick in the book to run out the clock before the election. That doesn't mean he didn't commit crimes.

 

No, as I explained it's a wHich hunt, which crime are we investigating now; so many to choose from. You're right "I" don't have the evidence, but the Special Prosecutor does.

 

False, as i stated it is absolutely a witch hunt. The banana courts of fascists are going after him for being a political opponent.

No, they dont lol.

 

That is the narrative that only corrupt politicians would LOVE for you to believe. Sorry to see you fell for it.

 

100% NO!!!

See? That's what you were supposed to answer. It shouldn't be a difficult question at all. No "ifs" , no "buts", no "depending"... Just NO!

Now... what IS your answer...

 

And likewise, if mr Trump is ever convicted of an actual crime, I wouldn't support him either. So, now can you explain that given why mr Trump has not been convicted of an actual crime that you feel no one should continue to support him? No? So, while you determine that your bar is conviction, you're behavior and posting suggest that you have a different bar for mr Trump. As in, an allegation is all you ever needed. So, perhaps now you can understand why folks, like me, don't accept that you're being entirely honest here.

 

He was an activist attempting to reform a corrupt government that practiced extreme racial discrimination and was universally condemned for human rights violations.

 

Strange. You and I were speaking in the other thread about Caroll and you saying he sexually abused her, and my repeated response was as soon as he has been convicted of committing a crime against Carrol which requires a determination of beyond any reasonable doubt he raped her, I will join you in condemning him because rape is a very serious charge that I do not take lightly.

You could not successfully argue against that notion, so you first tried to put words into my mouth that I am claiming I will not vote for him if convicted of any crime, which I of course am too savvy to fall down that rabbithole and quickly pointed out that is not my position. As soon as I pointed out the disingenuous nature of you falsely putting words into my mouth, you almost immediately started this thread and decided to come in here and misstate my argument so that it is one that you can argue against.

If I am wrong, please point me to which posts from anyone in that thread that said if he was convicted of ANY crime they would not vote for him as you now assert that Trump supporters are saying. Providing a few links to this claim surely isnt too much to ask if you are being honest.

If you are misrepresenting this argument however, you will obfuscate and refuse to provide the requested link. It is a pretty straight forward calculation. Maybe someone did put forth this argument and it is purely conicidence that you started this thread right after you tried faslely putting those words into my mouth. It will be interesting to see.

 

Great! As for your question, sorry but I don't have the time to explain to you how the whole US judicial system works.

 

No idea what it is you find "strange" about that. But I'm happy to know you wouldn't support Trump if he's convicted. There are very few on the MAGA side in this thread who have said that they wouldn't.

 

So in replying to my accusation, you did not provide a link to someone making the argument that you are claiming that so many are making.

What a shock! (sarcasm)

Perhaps strange was the wrong word. Disingenuous probably more accurately reflects what I am conveying about your tactic. Intellectually dishonesty would be another accurate description. Its actually not strange at all. Based on the past, it is highly predictable. I probably should have chosen my words more carefully and opted to be straight forward as opposed to beating around the bush in an effort to be polite.

 

Huh? English, please... Are you asking for a link to somebody saying they will vote for Trump even if they're convicted?

I have no clue what it is you're trying to say.

 

Protesting against social injustice and political oppression resulting from enforcement of arbitrary unfair partisan standards is a good thing.
Trump is the one that released more criminals that should be incarcerated; Biden has released only those who have been unjustly convicted or have already served too long for their crimes.

Defending Trump for ANY and ALL offenses makes you a co-conspirator to his crimes and holds you jointly responsible for future misdeeds.

. . . . The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thes. 2:3-11).

 

But, until he is convicted of rape in a court of law you support trump even though it was found that he did physically damaged her sexually and she has now been awarded 83 million dollars?

 

It is rather straightforward.

You claim that "There are several threads in which Trump supporters defend him because "he has not been convicted of any crime"

Prove it.

I dont mean someone speaking in the context of discussing Carrol and saying he hasnt been convicted a crime. Rather, prove your claim that they defend him by saying he hasnt been convicted of ANY crime as in they will abandon him as soon as ANY crime is convicted. For example, I am not aware of any Republican who thinks the Georgia RICO thing is anything other than abject nonsense. Nobody would abandon him for that, but for proven rape? That is something altogether different.

The difference is stark. You are trying to blur the line to twist reality.

 

He has been found liable. He has NOT been found guilty. Guilty is saying that beyond any reasonable doubt you sexually assaulted her. Liable is saying we think it is likely ( 50% plus) you may have assaulted her so therefore you defamed her when denying it.

Those two things are MILES APART. To pretend like they are the same is as intellectually dishonest as it gets. There is a world of difference between civil and criminal court.

 

Prove it? What nonsense! You were one of them!

I didn't make any specific mention of Carrol on the OP. ANY crime will do.

I really really don't understand what it is you're whining about? If you were expecting me to include a link to any posts (yours or the others) in the OP, that is NOT allowed by forum rules. I've had complete threads I opened deleted for doing that.

I think you're just not understanding the thread. That's the question. It's in the title "Will you support Trump if he is convicted of a crime?". I don't know if they'll abandon him or not. That's why I ask.

Anybody can answer the question any way they want. Trump is being indicted for 91 criminal charges (last count). I'm not going through all 91. If you are willing to vote for a convicted felon, I could not care less what the charge is. A criminal is a criminal. And if you're willing to do that, you are on record as giving up your ethical standing to complain about crimes committed by ANY politician in ANY party.

Simple as that.

At this point you appear to have changed your response to "Yes". i.e., you WOULD vote for a convicted criminal. Though you went into loooong unnecessary circles to answer such a straightforward question. A simple "yes" would have been enough.

 

Yep, and he's out $83 million of his supporters money and any that still stand by him are out any integrity they had IF they ever had any. <-period

You're still supporting a man that has no respect for anyone, especially women.

 

Thats just it, you are out and out lying.

My exact quote to you was "Prove that he committed a crime against Carrol and I will agree with you."

Then you later implied that I am stating that if convicted of any crime I will not vote for him to which I replied...


"What did I say that gives you that impression?

I am saying if he were proven guilty of the crime of sexual assault (the topic being discussed) I would not support him. Of course he has not been charged with that crime, so that concept is moot.

You should probably let me speak for my position, and you speak for yours. Deal? I am not a fan of others attempting to put words into my mouth. I find when people do that, their intentions are less than honorable."




For you to now claim that my position is that I would not vote for him if he is convicted of ANY crime is as intellectually dishonest as it gets.

That is my problem. YOU ARE INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST. You are misstating my position. You started another thread to misstate my position and then argue against the words that you just falsely put into my mouth.

YOU ARE INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST. This is not a mistake on your part. IT IS INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY.

 

In the unlikely event that some or all of this is not overturned on appeal, I cannot speak to where that money would come from, nor do I really care.

Sticking to the actual topic...The point remains, he has not been found guilty of one thing in the Carrol case. He has been found liable.

NOT THE SAME THING. Those two things are MILES APART.

 

Just because I don't think he'll be President doesn't mean I think there are plans to assassinate him. I think if that happens, it will be because the MSM, which has continued to push Trump=Hitler and he's the end of democracy, will have finally driven one of their many crazies into taking action. Certainly if you really think Trump is Hitler, that makes it easier for the average leftie nutcase to rationalize it. But I don't think anyone at top is planning for it.

I just mean that all stops will be pulled to make sure he's never sworn in if he were actually elected. Recall in 2016 how the electors were receiving death threats? That times a thousand. Also recall in 2016 there was a Republican elector who was a leftie plant. THAT I think is far more likely since the GOP is absolutely the stupid party, won't vet their electors, and on December 14th (or whatever day it is) find out that their "Republican" electors are voting for the Democrat.

 

Dear God! What are you talking about?

You are obviously fixated on the Carrol case. There is NO criminal charge in the Carrol case. And I did not mention the Carrol case anywhere in the OP.

CLEARLY your conscience is bothering you for supporting a proven sexual abuser. That's YOUR problem, not mine. You solve it any way you can. All I can say about that is that you better solve it BEFORE you cast your vote. Because, after that, once MAGAs start coming back to reality and they realize they were manipulated by a criminal false demi-god, there will be no turning back. NOTHING will remove that from your conscience.

But that is not the topic here. THIS thread is about CRIMINAL convictions. Trump has 91 criminal indictments so far. The Carrol case is NOT one of them. So your fixation is yours alone.

 

The longer you persist in defending him the more obvious it becomes that you would support him to the bitter end. It doesn't matter what's proven that he's done. You're all in on trump no matter what is proven.

 

Oh I didn't mean apologizing for voting for someone who was "convicted" in your Kangaroo Courts, you can forget about that ever happening! I simply meant wrong about him becoming President.