Explaining the border problem...

If you new it, you'd have posted it in it's entirety to start with..

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

 

Of course... because they're Hispanics. And Hispanics are all criminals, right?

So saith Trump.

 

I don't have opinions of any type. All I have are facts and the law. Your "Aha!" moment was sponsored by the US Code and nothing else.

I didn't write the law. I just quote it. Not very relevant (just a fun fact) but it is my understanding that it has to do with discontinuing the old "wet feet, dry feet" policy that allowed Cubans to stay in the country ONLY if they were out of the water (dry feet), but not if they were caught with even one foot in the water (wet feet).

 

Post the WHOLE US Code in its entirety?????

Oh... I understand. That would SURELY make it easier for you to get mods to delete my post, wouldn't it! ... I get it! [wink wink]

 

I have a much simpler explanation of the border problem: Democrats and Republicans are using it to win the 2024 elections. Republicans complain that the borders are wide open but don’t want to fix the problem before the 2024 elections, while Democrats suddenly decided to address the border issue when they realized it could turn many voters against them.

So what is the real problem? For years, the US supported corrupt regimes in America, regimes which only cared for the well-being of the ruling elite, leaving most citizens in deep poverty. It is logical that people living in these poor countries also desired 'the American dream'. Additionally, the US needed cheap workers in agriculture, food processing, and some service industries, like cleaning. As long as there was enough work for everyone, nobody complained and immigration was not a problem. However, when the US industry decided to outsource jobs to China, suddenly there were not enough jobs for immigrants and Americans, and people noticed the open American borders. Republicans decided to support Americans who oppose immigration, so it's natural that Democrats took the opposite side.

Can immigration be slowed down? Of course, one way is to build high walls so that children, women, and old people could not cross it, but it would be declared as a Trump victory, so Democrats are still looking for some creative solutions.

By the way – I don’t know the numbers, but many illegal immigrants are simply tourists who overstayed their visas and work in the US illegally.

 

If someone wants asylum and lies to be able to claim it then it is a crime.

You want to pretend that all these asylum seekers are genuine in their claims.

I can tell you from experience this isn't the case. I personally know several folks who came to claim asylum yet they are committing fraud. Why? Because they know their case will be tied up for years. An immigration attorney told me this also.

Meanwhile, the asylum seekers can stay. They easily get drivers licenses and permission to work.

So let's put your claim of "asylum seekers" are not criminals in the false category.

Here, read about it:

https://cis.org/Oped/Most-illegal-immigrants-do-not-qualify-US-asylum

 

No, that's not what you were doing at all. You were claiming that the law allows you to break the law. It doesn't say that.

And no, I was not referring to the former wet foot-dry-foot policy.

 

When it comes to migrants, America is not getting Latin America's best and brightest.

It's not like middle class, or even the better off working class Mexicans are the ones making the journey and coming without a visa.

This new asylum strategy is a little bit of a different thing, but before then it really shouldn't have been surprising that a large percentage of those illegally sneaking through the border were criminals.

And Democrats don't even seem to want to adequately screen all those migrants for criminal backgrounds. That's in the proposed deal, but they're holding that out as a bargaining chip.

 

A link

 

Well didn't take long for this thread to get crushed by fact..

Sorry

 

Trump resolved all this by having them stay in Mexico while they waited for their asylum process. There isn't a reason Biden could not do the same. But the Democrats aren't interested in resolving the issue so they don't press him on it.

 

Many aren't trying to apply for asylum. They just want to get in because they know if they get in, they won't be deported. The Democrats are asking for citizenship for all the 11 million in this country. (They've been saying 11 million ever sense Bill Clinton. More like 20-25 million now.)

The US Citizenship Act 2023 introduced by Congresswoman Linda Sánchez creates an earned roadmap to citizenship for all 11 million undocumented immigrants, providing Dreamers, TPS holders, and some farmworkers with an immediate path to citizenship. ...

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/world/democrats-float-us-citizenship-act-proposing-to-end-country-quota-for-green-cards-1217692.html

Now you got to know many of those 11 million didn't come in legally. Many crossed the unchecked crossing. They aren't asking for those to leave . They don't want them deported. Notice most aren't families. Most are men. They know that this country, under Obama I believe, enacted Chain Migration, which would allow each one that becomes a citizen to bring their family in Wife, kids, brothers, sisters, grand parents, etc. Do you know how that could swell the population here? Especially like Biden wants. Two million a year, non stop.

 

Or many RINO voters FOR them.

There are two problems with immigrants why apply for asylum. One is that they overwhelm authorities at the border. The other is the adaptation period. Once those two issues are left behind, they are immensely productive members to our society. They pay taxes, contribute to Social Security, and crime rates by undocumented workers are much lower than those of the regular population.

None of those prevent anybody who has traveled for hundreds of miles and confronted great risk to their lives. The only purpose of those barriers is to hurt people trying to come across. They are purely to satisfy the cruel instincts against foreigners that too many people feel (a.k.a xenophobia)

Yes. The large majority by far don't enter through an unauthorized entry point or even apply for asylum. They come on a plane and enter legally.

 

Lying in an official form is illegal. But you don't have to be seeking asylum for that. We have one seeking the presidency who does that too: Trump! Do you believe he should be expelled also?

 

I have said no such thing! Your statement doesn't even make sense. All laws, by definition, are legal. If a law says something is REQUIRED, it's not illegal. Laws are clearly another weak topic for you.

Looks like your Aha! moment has impressed you in such a way that you just decided to lash out against the messenger. But that's not going to change facts.

 

We're getting poor people. It's bigotry to assume that somebody who is poor is dumb. I'm not saying you're a bigot. Because I know you're just repeating the words of the Trump "deity", who IS a bigot.

 

Maybe. That makes no difference to the law.

Asking for citizenship is not the same as a path to citizenship. MAGAs don't appear to know the difference. I might open a thread in the near future to explain. Basically the difference is that if you have been a productive member of society with a clean criminal record for 10 years (or so), you get to be an American. This means they have done more in 10 years to make this country better than most xenophobes who want them out will do in their whole life. So they deserve it!

 

The Trump toadies in Congress who sabotaged bipartisan legislation to improve border security (as increased numbers are attracted by the U.S.'s thriving economy) are hellbent on perpetuating a crisis they falsely attribute to the President. One of their own has fractured their fairytale by insinuating documented reality into the equation:

“No, we’re not just going to pass the buck and say that,
‘Oh, any president can walk in and secure the border...
All a president has to do is declare the border’s closed, and it’s closed.
Well, with all due respect, that didn’t happen in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020.
There were millions of people that came in the United States during those four years.”

Radical rightist congressman Chip Roy
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You are actually making that exact argument.

 

Actually that is A PATHWAY to citizenship In fact it's already been proven to work!

Clearly, it worked under Reagan and three million border jumpers and I'm sure it will at some point happen again! So sneaking in is in fact a PATHWAY to citizenship!

 

Entry without inspection is a crime here. Its perfectly within the rights of any nation to specify that those who enter without inspection be not accepted.
If you barred by law those who enter without inspection from being naturalized or having the right to stay, you'd fix most of the issue and only have to deal with the hardcore knuckleheads.

 

It's like a game of hide and seek, if they can illude detection long enough they know from history the real knuckleheads will simply wave the magic pen and tada, you're a citizen..

VOTE DEMOCRAT!

 

Exactly. See? If you ever want to say something that is real, all you need to do is quote me. Because when you try to do that on your own, you usually mess it up.

 

Explain the border problem?

You elected an ******* who declared an open border style policy and the people listened.

 

Definitely! A sensible pathway to citizenship would certainly work.

Just like a not-so-sensible pathway... would probably not.