If Trump wins. Do you support him using his power to take revenge on his opponents?

Exactly, Daniel. What used to involve values, standards and ethics........ now has deteriorated into pettiness.

 

He flat out said he would destroy (root out) his critics / opponents which he calls "vermin".

I get it that Trump apologists are bitter over the fact that he is held accountable for his crimes, but that's what law enforcement is for.

 

Revenge never solved anything. In fact it just makes things worse. What is more important ?? Trumps obsession with revenge if elected , or doing what is best for the country?? Personal beefs and pettiness is NOT what is best for the nation.
Trump created his own situations. No one fabricated evidence to "attack" him. His own behavior has been totally unprofessional, unethical and illegal........and HE alone is accountable for it. Just like anyone else would be in the same circumstances. He has cheated, lied and manipulated all his life.... and these personality characteristics are NOT what the role of POTUS calls for. The job is challenging as it is.....and integrity is imperative. A grown man playing the victim card to avoid responsibility, and consequences is pathetic. ( as in PATHOS) A billionaire getting money from his supporters to pay for his legal fees is beyond comprehension. It goes to the character of the man.

 

Like being fined $350 million for a crime the "victim" denied? Trump "frauded" them into a huge profit on the loan.

 

His attitude and words are very PUTINESQUE. That is very concerning. And yet this seems to be just fine with his tribe of supporters. Are they so tired of Democracy , that they want a Putin like leader in power ??? Trump is so enamoured with Putin (and his absolute power) that he can't say anything to object to Putins murderous actions. That is a big red flag !!

 

Don't commit the crime if you can't do the time.

There does not have to be a "victim" for the laws to be enforceable. For example there is no victim when you get pulled over and they give you a speeding ticket. He lied through his teeth, and the banks based their decisions on those lies, and they could have lost lot of money

Besides, who is Trump going to get revenge on for the verdicts? Will he take out the judge, the lawyers, destroy the courts....?

He is an authoritarian, there is no ifs of buts about it.

 

They should have thought of that before they normalized lawfare against political opponents.

Clinesmith pled guilty to submitting forged evidence so that the corrupt FBI could illegally spy on President Trump during their campaign to drive him from office.

 

and what would that achieve besides create chaos??? Again: HE is ONLY thinking of HIMSELF.....in true narcissistic style. What about the nation , and the US relationship with the rest of the world??His narrow minded self centered petulant attitude is not fit for being POTUS.

 

The "victim" was the State of New York. It was never the banks. These laws were set up to prevent fraud. Trump committed fraud on legal documents.

Your argument is that a law can't be enforced if no one is "hurt" by the crime. It's like arguing that a person can't be given a ticket for driving
at 150 MPH on the highway if no one is hurt ... and we all know that such an argument is a lie.

 

Revenge? It all started with Trump demanding Ukraine investigate his political opponent.

 

Nonsense. The laws apply to parties to a transaction. Neither parties nor the sate suffered.

No, not eA ven close. Speeding is a criminal offense. A financial transaction were neither party suffered lose in not a violation.

 

Trump demanded nothing from anyone....

 

LOL. No. Fraud is a crime, even if you seemingly get away with it.

 

Sorry - NY Law is far more strict because it a world financial center. There does not need to be any other injured party except the State. Is what it is.

 

NY state was not injured.

 

If Trump lied on legal forms in the State of NY - then the State of NY is the injured party. The state passed VERY strict business laws because
it is a worldwide business center - that's it's core source of revenue. If people are allowed to lie on financial statements in the state then criminals
and potential investors - know that NY is not serious about white collar crime. That would hurt NY standing as a financial center. Hence, falsified
financial reporting hurts NY State. End of story.

 

End of story... NY state was not injured.

 

There is no need for a victim or injury for a law to be enforceable. If you lie purposely to deceive a financial institution to give you a loan, or better terms, then you are guilty of fraud. Its as simple as that.

Anyway, that's really not the topic. We were talking about Trump using the power of the presidency to take revenge on people who held him accountable.

 

Actually, it has been proven in a court of law that the state was indeed injured. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt by this FACT, but it is what it is.
Random guy on the internet does not understand NY State financial laws. Color me surprised.

 

We're just going to have to wait and see if the appeals courts agree that NY was the injured party to transactions they were never a part of.

I keep thinking this is similar to a relationship.
Where the guy says he's a millionaire.
So the girl checks, he's not a millionaire, but she goes ahead with the relationship.

And then the state steps in and claims fraud.

The state wasn't harmed and no one else is complaining but the state goes after the guy because he says he can "grab em by the ....... kitty".

 

If Trump gets elected, he should start a new department who's job is to check ALL property values to see what's been valued incorrectly. I think a lot of states could get a lot of money!!

 

We seem to go round and round with the same ineffective "arguments" defending trump repeating themselves , while ignoring the facts as they esixt.

It is concerning that one man can have such a powerful HOLD on a segment of the population.... as that alone defies the democratic process , (as well as the legal process)

Just because one person claims the systems are so bad (because they are "against him" , and is willing to destroy them........... how is that a democracy?? This is ABUSE of POWER to the extreme. His supporters are giving him license to do just that. The damming down of the US population ( a segment ) is demonstrating what an outcome might be.
The really crazy thing is that it seems as if T never left office as he continues to obstruct the work of gov't. (more abuse of power ......and the weakling R's are letting him)
Bottom line: Revenge politics are in full effect even now.....as the motivating factor is pure GREED for POWER on Trump's part. He and Putin have a lot in common.

 

The question that arises is : How come the Trumpers don't KNOW all this?? How come they are so information deficient ???

(an aside: but social media is not a valid information source.......it is a cesspool of people venting their opinions in a toxic atmosphere)

 

We know Trump has been found liable for sexual assault, fraud, and defamation.
We know he said he could shoot someone and not lose a single supporter.
We know he still has many supporters.
Those are facts but you ignore them and cry that I'm a Democratic partisan instead.

 

It is not a fact at all... End of story... NY state was not injured.

What is fact... no victims, all loans paid with interest... and Mar-a-lago is worth more than $18 million...