Avdiivka, Longtime Stronghold for Ukraine, Falls to Russians

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  1. Monash

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    Well he did claim responsibility/credit! And unlike some of his other, more exaggerated claims, even outright lies in the past given his hold on Republican Party? There's little reason not to believe him.
     
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    If you want to believe that Trump, and only Trump, is responsible for killing that bill, go ahead. That's certainly what he wants you to believe.

    Why is he so quick to take credit? Because it was an unpopular bill with Republican voters. On the GOP side, it only appealed to McConnell and Lankford.
     
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    What is it that I claimed ? .. that Congress never said ? What a joke of a false accusation friend .. I say many things about congress .. which are you claiming is false friend ?
     
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    Look Zoomie .. beloved Vlad did not need no document to invade Ukraine .. and that is not an argument .. just a statement of fact and your "Lack of understanding" comment gone back your direction.

    There are no such documents yet mate - the docs gonna come during the peace negotiations .. which hopefully come soon .. as the Ukraine Army is collapsing .. on the run .. leaving equipment and ammo behind .. many surrenders and capture of prisoners way up .. unfortunately casualties way up again .. after decreasing for a little while .. big losses on the Ukrainian side -- and Russia now quickly gaining territory.

    While Zalinski cries - We are Out of AMMO .. and begs Please Please help us .. a Sad thing .. Ukraine was drowned out by the Gaza affair.. by the time any F-16's or more wonder weapons gets to Ukraine .. there will not be a Ukraine to get to. The Russians are advancing Zoomie .. need to get Genocide Joe on the line .. get something to the Troops .. Where are those Czech Artillery Rounds .. don't need USA - EU could put out the cash .. Did they forget about Ukraine as well ? --

    You need to watch the "Military Summary Channel" on a daily basis .. it is only around 15 min or less - summarizes the daily activity along the front line giving info from both sides ... Pro Russian side - Pro Ukraine Side -- then discusses open source .. what the main info outlets are saying .. normally complete with Drone Video footage and geolocation ..

    Sounds complicated but it is not -- a simple summary of daily activities.
     
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    Have a nice life, gifter. I'm done with you.
     
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    Bottom Line - Love or Hate O'L Carrot Top - Trump has been fighting to shut down Illegal Immigration since the day he was born .. never mind throughout his campaign and subsequent Presidency. It is such a joke that some of the really good reasons to dislike Trump -- the Blue Tribe is seemingly Oblivious.

    How one can be oblivious to Trumps obvious belief in biological determinism - the Polite company term for Social Darwinism .. aka Eugenics. Pappy was a big believer and part of the movement .. apple don't fall far at all from that tree. A full Half 1/2 or more of his policy decisions are guided ..and inspired by the Biological determinism Club..

    Biden --- and the Woke Blue Cancel Crew ?! Not so much

    You see Blue has a long history of "Anti - Eugenic" fervor - to the point where the baby was thrown out with the bathwater- things got twisted and stupid .. the whole idea that our Culture means nothing to civil society .. and that severe disruption of cultural norms .. can be very negative .. Oh OH NO NO .. the Woke can't say that .. stating that truth would be enabling enforcing of culture on immigrants -- so we must cancel that Truth .. like we did under the guise of "Vaccine Hesitancy" .. and other Totalitarian Tropes .. from our beloved Blue woke rope a dopes.

    Social Engineering is not necessarily all Bad .. and complete lack of social engineering has no upside. but somehow .. the Blue Crew can not deal with this reality and thus must demonize the Truth. and take us down a dark path with no upside. Economy - Environment - forever wars - open border -
     
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    and when asked what I claimed Congress said .. you respond
    Don't run from the playground now friend .. it is not the end of the world to be caught in one's own web.

    What did I claim came from Congress .. that was naught ? or it you that has been caught ! :)
     
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    Sure Durandal -- and no Crimes against humanity going on in Gaza -- and other fact free tropes going around the Woke Cancel Club these days. How did you like that our Vetoing the Bill supported by the entire rest of the world for Cease fire in Gaza just the other day D.

    Had to feel at least a little pain .. No ?
     
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    Then explain how it was defeated only after his intervention. Before he intervened it was going to be voted on and pass. After he did? It immediately fell over. Its called cause and effect. And if it was as unpopular as you seem to believe? It wouldn't have progressed to that point in the first place. Arguments to contrary are just excuses. Cause and effect.
     
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    The F-16 is a 'wonder weapon' ??? what century are you living in. Maybe in the 1980s. But then you no doubt think the T-55 is also wonder weapon also so maybe 'Giffty world' is in fact the mid 20th century. It would explain a lot.
     
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    Are the Ukrainian forces pulling back to Zaporizhzhia? I didn't know that Avdiivka was so important to Ukraine until this story came out, and it's way far to the east in the Donbas region. What happens if the Ukrainians lose control of that huge nuclear power plant at Zaporizhzhia? It doesn't look to be too far west of Avdiivka. 150 miles?
     
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    Progressed to what? It "progressed" as long as the details were not released, and then when it was released, it was dead. It's that simple.

    I'm a little confused by your timeline. When was it going to pass? You think it was going to pass before Trump said anything? Following conservative media like I do the rumors of what was in the bill (which turned out to be accurate) was what killed the bill, long before Trump said anything,

    But like I said, go ahead and believe it was Trump. Since Trump is your Alpha and Omega, I wouldn't expect anything less.
     
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    The Russians have had control of the power plant since March, 2022.

    https://www.npr.org/2023/09/06/1197574725/russia-ukraine-war-nuclear-power-plants
     
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    The big picture is "boiling the frog" gifty....something you're not aware of or simply not capable.

    It's not just destroying the Orc military...gifty...it's ultimately to carve up the "gas station"...you see.

    Sure...Putler needs no docs.....that's on him... and big mistake....just like Swedes soon in NATO....Orban will give the go ahead at months end....then Juchi Ulus will be shut outta the Baltic to Black Sea....not a good scene...gifter.

    Everyone helping Ukraine gifty.....who's helping Mordor....Chinos,Iranians, Kimmy J all fleecing the Botox chimp.

    Zelensky at the front visiting his troops....Putlerstan hides in a bunker and abuses young boys....sick phuck!

     
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    I've already said I usually discount most of the things Trump says most of the time. The exceptions are those rare occasions when he actually starts talking about policy details instead propagating conspiracy theories of engaging in self aggrandizement. Then I do want to listen because in the past from time to time he actually has had some ideas worth pursuing. Not often but it happens.

    In this case however the deal only died after Trump came out against it. That's a matter of record. Before then it was going to a vote and would have passed with the votes of the few Republican who supported it. Trump put a stop to that because the those few Republicans were promptly forced to backtrack.
     
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    Zoomer -- there is no "boiling frog" analogy ?! Ukraine troops are abandoning their positions in retreat - leaving weapons and ammo behind - taking heavy casualties as the run .. as is normally the case for the side retreating. Ain't no boiling frogs friend .. this is The Russians are coming .. time to get out of the Hot Tub and run for your life ..

    Boiling Frogs ? -- where do you get this stuff from Zoomie .. now you say "Everyone's helping Ukraine" ?? another doozie .. Zelensky is crying and begging for the help to come . but none has been coming .. everyone saying "We gonna build some for you" -- but that not gonna come until 2026 .. in the meantime .. Russia has Tripled production .. is on a war footing .. find me one economy that has gone on a war footing to help Ukraine .. one of these "Everyone is helping" .. Not according to Zelenski or the people on the ground Zoomie .. They getting over-run as we sit comfortably in favorite chair .. right now as we chat zoomie ..

    Did you not watch for a few minutes .. the Military Summary Channel I told you to watch ? .. can start at the 4 min mark to save time ..
     
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    50,000 Russian casualties for a grand total of four square miles. I hope all future Russian "victories" go like this.
     
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    Right....by the time the orcs reach the West side of Dnieper .....their casualties should be around 3 million KIA.....still a pittance....according to Stalin.....casualties a mere statistic.....a single prominent death a tragedy.
     
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    And yet there was no significant opposition. Why? Because the actual coup was an attempt by Russian intelligence to corrupt both the voting and the Rada. The Ukrainian people rose up to overthrow the Russian yoke.
     
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    Whut????

    So the Russians orchestrated a violent coup against a Russian-leaning president, thereby prompting the people to throw off the Russian yoke????

    Must be an early Spring. The delusions are in full bloom. :hippie:

    I'm wondering how they got Victoria Nuland and John McCain to go along with it.
     
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    The Russians installed that Russia-leaning president by covert action operations and bribery. That was their coup. He was overthrown by the people.
     
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    And ever since the clown Yanuk was tossed out....Orcs have been majorly butthurt.
     
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    But your article seems to indicate that even with the war going on around them, the power plant itself remains under Ukrainian control. The Russians and Ukrainians probably have some kind of understanding that destroying the largest nuclear power plant in Europe is not in anybody's best interest, but if Ukraine's military is now in retreat with the Russians in pursuit, anything could happen.
     
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