Who is a "Patriot"?

I think...

Those most likely to claim the title "Patriot" are least likely to be patriots.

Sort of like the guy who calls himself "Honest don."
Or the one who says "believe me."

 

No, aluding that Stewart said or did those things and then, when called on it, changing the argument to "did he condemn them" IS underhanded.

Christ, you switch arguments more often than I take a breath. I would answer, but I document my arguments, and I doubt I could document that Stewert condemed; "white people pose the most lethal threat to this country, or burning the American flag or kneeling for our anthem? Lets get back to your accusation can YOU show he said any of that?

Not necessarily, I couldn't get anything else done if I condemned everything "I don't support".

"I" don't have a BLM roisterer, mostly because the terror that occurred during the BLM marches was caused by right wing infiltrators.

BTW your signature is just as false as your posts. President Obama never said that or anything like it.

 

Really, I don't think you can prove that. Typical right-wing hollow accusation.

 

Don't have to; you guys do it several times a day.

 

I haven't define the term, but it does not include promoting insurrection, or undermining our elections and ANY of the behavior described in those infamous 91 original counts, or the revised 85 counts post appeal. Any person who thinks the term applies to Trump, has been brain washed, beyond redemption

 

No, that's on you and SteveN. But I get it, YOU CAN'T.

 

Who is a "Patriot"?

Usually not the one who brags about how much they are a patriot.

 

Patriotism is held unshakeablely your heart not broadcast by your mouth.

 

A patriot is someone who loves the promise of their country.

For example, maybe you're someone who loves the promise of the United States, that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness", but maybe you don't think this promise has yet been achieved.

That's a patriot. Not a rabid, mouth foaming defender of your country, but someone who genuinely loves your founding principles and strives to see them realized. Someone who holds their country to its covenant. It's the woman who refuses to go to the back of the bus, the man who refuses to censor his journalism, the man who fights his unjust conviction to the last breath.

 

Exactly. I’ve always found those who talk a big game are just that….all talk.

 

Excellent !! as only Stewart can deliver. But he covers some incredibly important points about where things are today. The Trumpins won't like it. (IF they watch it). Regular Repubs will see the tuth in it and reflect on the state of affiars.

Not to watch it is to hide from some real hard truths. (which are totally opposite of what Trump spins )

 

Yes patriotism has been over used and abused by the MAGA crowd. They seem to be "patriotic" to ONEPERSON...Trump as opposed to the country. Like anything else patriotism can become fanatical........ as history has shown what lengths "patriots" will go to defend and follow a manipulative but forceful leader. The world has seen much destruction in the name of "patriotism".
Like anything else , moderation is the key........with a good dose of realistic wisdom. Extremes of any kind are never constructive.

 

What I find funny is the left has historically received their talking points from 3 comedy sources:

Comedy Central

CNN

Jon Stewart

 

Well the official definition is "devotion to and vigorous support for one's country." But that doesnt mean much.

What is 'our country'? Is it the govt? Is it the American Dream? Is it just 'freedom'?

"One mans patriot is another mans criminal." I find that to be a better quote.

 

Remember the only difference between the Confederates and the Patriots is that the American Patriots won the war.

They too were rebels at one point.
Patriotism does not mean blind allegiance to the government. In fact sometimes patriotism demands that Patriots flush the toilet and start over. That whole watering the tree of Liberty thing.

And remember what Mark Twain said.... Politicians are like diapers and they need to be changed often for the same reason.

He also said quitting smoking is the easiest thing he's ever done because he's done it hundreds of times..... But I digress

 

Oops. I meant the Daily Show, of course.

Ditto

 

Not if you vote for Trump, and you almost did.

 

So, you are of the school of thinking that says insurrection is constitutional?

 

If the government goes tyrannical then sure. Didn't the founding Fathers say as much?
Isn't that how are very nation was formed?

Does the definition of insurrection depend on whether the government being overthrown had gone tyrannical or had not?

 

Very good.

"We the People." "Dictator for a day." "If he wants to be a Dictator, fine by me," stuff "We the People."

Well written and presented programme.

 

Prove it.

 

Nope, and is not constitutional.

 

That's not right.

You're mistaken in believing there's a constitutional basis for insurrection. The Constitution itself provides mechanisms for addressing grievances and changing the government through democratic processes, not through violence or uprising. Specifically, it deals with insurrections in the context of the militia clause, empowering the government to suppress insurrections rather than endorsing them.

It's crucial to distinguish the revolution that led to the formation of the United States from the concept of insurrection against an established constitutional government. The American Revolution was a unique historical event that resulted in the creation of a new nation, breaking away from colonial rule. This event doesn't provide a recurring legal justification for insurrection; instead, it marked the beginning of a constitutional framework designed to resolve disputes through the rule of law.

Furthermore, allowing insurrectionists to determine what constitutes 'tyranny' poses a significant problem. It's impractical and dangerous for groups or individuals to claim the right to overthrow the government based on their subjective judgment of tyranny. This rationale has been misused by groups like the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, who justified their actions by asserting they were fighting against what they perceived as tyranny. However, their interpretation conflicts with the legal and democratic principles upon which the United States is founded.

In a constitutional democracy, changes to the government must be pursued through legal and democratic channels, not through violence or unlawful means. The notion that insurrection could be legally justified under the guise of combating tyranny undermines the stability and integrity of the democratic system and the rule of law.

I see this kind of reasoning that the Second Amendment was to fight a tyrannical government (USA government) and I see this promulgated in right-wing groups, and it is based on the wrong interpretation of the founders and framers' intent. They were the new government; they sure as heck weren't about to legalize insurrections against themselves. That makes absolutely no sense. For them, 'tyranny' was colonial rule. It stops right there

 

After reading and scrolling through these posts, I’ve come to the conclusion that for Biden supporters being a patriot is supporting Biden and being anti-Trump. For Trump supporters, it’s supporting Trump and being anti-Biden.

Personally, I don’t believe where one stands on the political spectrum or one’s politics has anything at all to do with patriotism.

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pa·tri·ot·ism

/ˈpātrēəˌtiz(ə)m/

noun

the quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.

"a highly decorated officer of unquestionable integrity and patriotism"

Going by the dictionary definition, one could say Hitler was a patriot, he certainly was devoted to Germany. Perhaps patriotism of who is and who isn’t is in the eye of the beholder as is how each individual defines patriotism. Then everything becomes subjective with changing standards and meanings. Hitler proved one can be a devoted to his country and be a patriot to Germany per the dictionary definition and still be a scoundrel. At least in our eyes today.

 

I voted from him in 2020. Don't you dare say I am not a patriot. I voted for what I thought was best for this country and I was right.