Why do so many Americans seem to hate Netanyahu?

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  1. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What if Hamas wins because Biden folds under pressure from the progressive anti Israel factions pulling the strings on our incapacitated President who does absolutely no work for the people every day. What would that look like?

    Mr. Lévy is author of “The Will to See: Dispatches From a World of Misery and Hope” and author and director of the documentary “Slava Ukraini.” This article was translated from French by Steven B. Kennedy.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-i...#:~:text=Let’s imagine that,Steven B. Kennedy.
     
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    Make up some more fake numbers.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Funny stuff .. Look AFM .. repeating a claim over and over .. as if repetition will make the claim less false .. is not the way it works friend.

    An argument consists of 2 things .. 1) claim 2) some kind of support, explanation , proof that shows claim is true. and then .. refuting arguments showing that your claim is preposterously false. Hamas did not force Bibi to exterminate 10,000 Children for the crimes of Hamas .. he did that all by himself :)

    Got some strange notion of cause and effect mate .. those few Jews that broke out of the Warsaw Ghetto and caused some trouble were not responsible for the Holocaust .. as much as the deniers would like to deny .. that is nonsense logic.
     
  4. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    You didn't know that the U,S.S.R. was the first major ally of Israel?
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden fails to veto UN resolution which does not require Hamas to release hostages as a condition of a cease fire. The overwhelming majority of US voters support a cease fire only after the release of hostages and after Hamas is removed from power.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-ab...als_pos2#:~:text=In his State,own in November.
     
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    You didn't know netanya-who changed his name to make him appear to be a Jew?
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    of course I knew that.

    Are you denying that he's a Jew??
     
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    Does he look like one?!
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    /i'm no expert in how Jews are supposed to look.

    Are you?
     
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    I numbered your words to make them easier to refer to,

    In regards to 1, no Hamas and the extremism that is behind it was not caused by Netanyahu. Hamas and other identical Islamic extremism existed long before Netanyahu and its been caused by a complex series of disagreements not attributable to any one specific Muslim or Jew, Israeli or Palestinian. Trying to blame it on Netanyahu is illogical and a classic case of scapegoating and trying to come up with a simplistic method to blame a conflict on. Its lazy. If you do not want to analyze the intricate series of inter-connected conflicts don't but trying to blame it on one person I doubt even you over a beer with me would continue to argue is the sole reason. If you had said the coalitions he has led have exasperated certain issues making it problematic yes but come on there is a lot more to it than him.

    2. I myself support the Labour Party and Kadima Party never Netanyahu but I would say this to you, any leader of Israel has their hands tied over certain issues when it comes to state security neither of us is privy too and what they say for public release and what they actually say behind closed doors you and I do not know, and that includes Netanyahu. I will also say this again, the war cabinet and on the ground officers have the last say not Netanyahu. Neither of us knows the real number of deaths or what Hamas is doing to its people.

    3. Israel has been doomed since the day it started. Next, Both Biden and Trump have said its time for Israel to stop. They do so because their election campaign has started. Trump is pro Putin and therefore anti Israel and Ukraine. Biden is worried about alienating his Democrat voters who do not support Israel.

    There is no doubt Biden does not like Netanyahu because Netanyahu and Obama genuinely conflicted and Biden to a lesser extent carries that baggage of distrust. Netanyahu sided openly with Trump. Trump's closeness with Putin and Erdogan ended that.

    I myself think far too much significance is paid to Netanyahu. I care more about Benny Gantz and the IDF command and the Joint Chiefs of Staff and how they get along. I also think most of all of us do not want Gaza civilians killed but also want the hostages returned and Hamas removed whether we are right or left, Republican or Democrat, American, Canadian like me or Israeli.

    I myself think the war cabinet runs the war with info you and I do not have. I also think after the war which will come, Netanyahu will then be held accountable for the failed intelligence and raid into Israel and between that and corruption charges will lose his next election. Ironically Netanyahu ignores Israel's constitution and corruption no different than Trump.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To be accurate Trump wants Israel to end the hostilities. I interpret that to mean go into Rafah as soon as possible and eradicate the four remaining Hamas battalions.

    Also Israel does not have a Constitution.
     
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    Thank you. Some are ugly like me but some are not bad.

    i.e., me:[​IMG]

    but then: upload_2024-3-27_15-46-37.jpeg
     
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    I’ve heard that word. I’ve also heard of something called antisemitism.
     
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    Yes. They have curly hair, well, the biblical Jews [and lineal descendants] do.

    Idk about ppl who convert though, you can't convert to have curly hair, unless you get a hair transplant and Mr. Come-over himself (mileikowsky) certainly could do with one .
     
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    Have you heard of "victim card"?
     
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    Yes. What about it? Please explain.
     
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    It refers to a person that cries anti-Semitism all the time but has no clue what anti semitism actually means
     
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    IIRC neither William Shatner nor Leonard Nimoy have curly hair yet botr are Jews
     
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    lol, perhaps his parents were converts.


    Have you heard of the lachich reliefs?
     
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    Hamas and similar groups do not hide their intentions and actions. They are known to be dangerously extreme and prepared to sacrifice anyone and anything to obtain their ends. Therefore, the manor of Israel's dealing with them has played directly into their hands. Now, to fight them exactly as Hamas has always wished for, masses of women and children are dying and the world, more and more, is pointing the finger at 'Jews'. This is the catastrophe that was predictable, avoidable and tragic for everyone. The real problem is this latter-day 'Zionism' that has virtually nothing to do with ancient texts and religious beliefs.
    The Jewish communities in the world are almost uniformly constructive, positive influences. Individuals are as good and bad as any other members of any other groups. That they now live in fear everywhere due to the errors committed in the Middle East is truly sad. The displaced Jewish population of WWII would have been much better off going to North America than into the desert surrounded by millions of people educated to hate them. That mistake is irredeemable now and all of us have to deal with present realities. Political policies that insist on making the situation more confrontational, as has been going on for so long, only increase the probabilities of some awful, final disaster. This is what we criticize in Netanyahu and what he represents. It is absolutely no defense of the inhuman organizations such as Hamas.
     
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    The problem was that USA didn't want white JewISH migration to America. When comparing Irish, Italian or other immigrant communities, White JewISH europeans had a lower than average iq and so were deemed unworthy and not given visas intitially during the first waves. Not doubt the immigration officials were later paid off by wealthy White Jewish European organisations like ADL. The ADL was created as an anti black racist organisation.
     
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    Why do so many Israelis seem to hate Netanyahu?
    Let me count the ways...lol


    UPDATED 3MIN AGO

    'Clashes, road blockages at mass protests demanding hostage deal, elections'

    Tens of thousands at Tel Aviv demos;
    16 held as some block Ayalon;

    water cannon deployed

    200 breach barriers and protest near PM’s home in Jerusalem

    * Hostage talks to resume tomorrow


    cont:
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-march-30-2024/
     
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    And you know this how?

    What's your link?....
     
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    Oh Zoomie .. Bibi's friend Vlad -- we got some news straight from the horses mouth .. is it the Sirens calling ?

    Elon Musk says Russia could hit Dnipro and capture Odesa

    Straight out of Ukrainska Pravda friend .. one of your favorite sources of news :) I ask Zoomer many times .. what think gonna happen with Odesa .. Them Azov SS launching terrorist attacks into the black sea -- hitting Vlad's precious ships .. Vlad need to take that launching pad away .. push back the border out of range of the terrorist attack ... This is disaster for Ukraine .. are we gonna hear Zelensky start to cluck soon .. plead for negotiations.. save what left before it too late mate
     
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    What about Bibi .. does he have curly hair ? Thought Will had curly hair in some of the old episodes .. what is the obsession with curly haired Jews if I might ask ?
     
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