The Answer To Our Problems, EV's

You are claiming that 99% think that the Iraq war was fought for oil?

 

The beauty of EVs - retired EV batteries can be used for storage. One option - many more - Pumped water storage, etc. It will take a while for a break with fossil fuels, so in the meantime, some states like Iowa, which has a wind-first philosophy, use natural gas as a backup.

 

Spent EV batteries will charge EV batteries? How are the spent EV batteries charged? Pumped water? How much water is needed to charge all the EV batteries? Where does energy needed to run the pumps come from?

 

You need to use some ingenuity and imagination.
1. EV Battery > 80% Capacity - Used in cars (Currently 100K Miles, but improving soon)
60% <,,Capacity <80% Used for Energy Storage (10-15 Years)
Capacity < 60% Recycle into New Batteries
2. Charged with Electricity, preferably from renewables.
3. Charged with Electricity, preferably from renewables.
4 Pumped Water - terrific storage option. Around the world currently stores about 9000 GWH. Put into perspective,the avg nuclear power plant is 1 GW. So that's about 90 nuclear power plants running at full capacity for 100 hours. And hydroelectric plants are the most responsive (dispatchable) power systems in the world.

 

That’s imagination alright.

 

In this case mine is the informed viewpoint.

 

Imagination already being turned into reality!

 

Where? The EV market is collapsing.

 

That’s an empty trailer. With upgrades the Ford Lightening is rated to tow 10,000 lbs.

Here’s a real world test of a Lightening with an 8,000 lb trailer.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...g-lariat-long-term-update-13-how-does-it-tow/

Attempting to pull an empty semi trailer with a EV pickup would likely cook the battery. Best case would be getting a trailer 30-40 miles at reduced power to keep the battery from catching fire.

Someday EV semis will be a thing. Not yet. EV pickups aren’t a thing yet.

 

EV semis aren’t a real thing either.

 

Not yet. Tesla is trying but they aren’t very useful.

 

I don't get the anything gasoline hard vehicles or very very low on the emissions issue. If you run a two-cycle leaf blower for an hour that's like driving a Toyota Camry from LA to Denver in terms of emissions.

 

They're probably aren't ever going to be until we find out how to make a battery with gaseous material.

The problem with electric vehicles now is the battery. Essentially charging it and discharging it and of course the weight when we're talking about a semi.

At this point lithium oxide is the best anode we can have. You either have to develop a new element or somehow figure out how to use a gas as an anode.

I don't think this is the near future I think it's a very distant future.

Right now is the best it's ever going to be. That will not get better at camp it's limited by chemistry and physics.

You have to come up with a new element that's lighter than lithium that's more willing to give up an extra electron and so far nothing exists that we know of in the periodic table. So you're either going to have to get the hydrogen collider to make you up some new battery material or you're going to have to deal with a lithium ion batteries.

I don't understand why they don't teach the stuff in school anymore. I remember not just learning how batteries worked but being fascinated by it.

 

The coming electricity crisis partially driven by EV mandates is looming. The Chinese Communist Party is honest enough to admit that it makes no sense to completely get rid of fossil fuel power generation available 24/7 with wind a solar due to instabilities with the electrical distribution grid. But maybe we can find a bunch of water to pump??

https://www.wsj.com/articles/electric-grid-crisis-biden-administration-climate-policy-energy-artificial-intelligence-cfc10b68?mod=opinion_lead_pos1#:~:text=President Biden and,more blackouts arrive.

 

Lithium ion batteries in power tools have taught me a lot about their potential and their limitations. When you use tools in different temperatures and under different loads you get a good education.

But yeh, people have no baseline knowledge of the chemistry/physics and little practical knowledge from use either.

Same goes for actual real world experience in transportation either. A 15,000 lb semi trailer sounds impressive. Like you are really getting work done. But that’s an empty trailer with zero freight in it. Pulling empty trailers around doesn’t help anyone, least of all the guy paying for the energy to move the empty trailer.

Most of the semi hauling I do now is total vehicle weights of 89,000 to 92,000 lbs. And you have to be running at least 14 hours a day. An EV that could do that would be cool. But it’s not doable at this point. Never mind the power and grid needed to supply energy for that kind of work doesn’t exist either. Daytime power is pretty much used up by industry and excess cheap power at night goes to irrigation.

EVs are for commuters in mild climates at this point. I’m all for that if that’s what people want and the market supplies it.

 

If BYD can build a bus, they can build a truck.


https://en.byd.com/news/byd-receives-largest-battery-electric-bus-order-in-u-s-history/

BYD RECEIVES LARGEST BATTERY-ELECTRIC BUS ORDER IN U.S. HISTORY
BYD (Build Your Dreams) announced Wednesday at the California Transit Association’s Annual Fall Conference in Monterey that the Los Angeles Department of Transportation ordered 130 of its battery-electric K7M buses, the largest single order of battery-electric buses to date in the United States.

 

What is the cost including subsidies of these buses? How many miles must they be driven before they become carbon neutral (for automobiles it’s 75,000 miles?

What will be the net effect of this on reducing global warming? Answer - zero degrees C.

 

Every battery is going to have difficulty in the cold. Moving electrons requires heat and the lower the temperature the more energy will be spent on generating heat

I think the biggest Dagger in the heart of the electric semi is the 17 hours needed to charge them. Does it take maybe half an hour to fully recharge a diesel semi? At the most.

I think local delivery is a good use of electric vehicles.

 

I have no doubt BYD can build an electric bus or even an electric semi all they need to do is copy someone else's build. But tricking people into buying a worthless semi is more difficult.

A semi that takes 15 hours to charge in order to drive five hours is totally useless to people that would buy semis.

Every range estimate is a lie and you can't charge faster without damaging the vehicle battery.

 

I posted an article in this thread about the real world experience of a driver of an EV semi. The productivity of the EV semi was ~ 20% of a diesel.

 

Yeah I think the EV thing is first believing the lies that the manufacturer tells you about the range basically when you see the range subtract 1/3-2/3 of it and that's really what you can expect what else site these perfect world stats as though they are gospel truth.

It really is a religion and you can't reason with people who believe this stuff.

I've explained why to these believers that this is the best it's ever going to be, I've explained why that it is at its Pinnacle at the moment unless we discover a new element or figure out how to make a gaseous battery.

But they come back with bologna about how I don't know how batteries work in the materials that makes for the best anode and cathode in a battery in I mean it's not like it's rocket science

 

why would you use retired batteries for storage? As they get older they become less stable. That wouldn't be a very good use for them if you're wanting dependable storage

You'll have to come up with alternative energy to break with fossil fuels. Batteries are typically dependant on fossil fuels.

 

He claims to be an electrical Engineer but fails to realize his statement,

If they are still viable it can stay in the car longer too......, but

 

It's a good point about range and semis, and that's probably why there hasn't been a large focus on the semi market. Rail is the most efficient method of moving cargo over land, and of course companies know this because it's the most affordable. A combination of rail for cross country, with electric semis for more regional shipments might be a good way to go. This may also help with tired semi drivers on the highway.

Entire battery changeouts, that can occur in about 5-10 minutes is another possiblity. This technology is now available and ready to implement. Admittedly, this will take a transition time.

 

Because they work.
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/ev-batteries-as-solar-power-storage

A start-up company in California has found a way to use secondhand EV batteries as solar power storage units, giving the batteries a new life after powering a vehicle and avoiding a premature trip to the recycling plant.

Los Angeles-based B2U Storage Solutions says its hybrid solar and battery storage facility in Lancaster, CA, in the desert northeast of LA, now has 25 megawatt-hours (MWh) of storage capacity operational.

The manufacturing of any product has an environmental overhead. Trouble is, once the manufacturing overhead for ICEs is through, you begin the worst part of its life, the day-after-day of burning polluting fossil fuels.