Democratic anger over Israel reaches new heights

Not to me you didn't.

 

Ok. Without you answering, it is a fact that the region surrounding Israel is being cleansed of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, and those critical of religion/government. Does the murder, rape, mutilation, kidnapping attack justify the Israels response? Not for me to say, but it is reasonable to say that it was expected. Hamas knew that it would provoke an attack that would cost the lives of the civilians they purposely placed in harms way.

 

It is a fact that Israel are corralling Palestinians with the ultimate aim of cleansing the whole region of Palestinians. The Israeli government is no different to Hamas except one is using their ability to murder, mutilate and kidnap a much higher number

 

I thought that I mentioned that Iran and Turkey are regional Islamic countries with secure Jewish populations but it sounds like your overall assertion is that Western cultures are more tolerant in specific ways than Islamic countries.

I find it difficult to compare the two because Western countries are wealthier and most of the Islamic world is poor and unstable due to earlier Colonial machinations that remain the source of much strife. (i.e. The McMahone Agreement of 1915 vs the Balfour Declaration of 1917)

I obviously agree that I prefer Western culture over the prohibitions and intolerances of the Islamic world because I chose to return from the Islamic Middle East back to the Bacchanalian delights to which I was accustomed.

I will fully admit that if I was forced to live in any of the countries in that region, I would chose Turkey, Israel or possibly Iran.

Since I fully support the freedoms guaranteed under America's Constitution, I could not support any government that represses the basic freedoms that Americans enjoy.

I thought that I had made it clear that I fully support the many unique freedoms that Israel offers, recognize and appreciate it's many contributions, archeological wonders etc.

I don't think that we differ as to whether both sides should enjoy peace and prosperity but I think that we differ on what is necessary for that to come about.
I apparently agree with the tens of thousands of Israelis who are currently protesting the Netanyahu regime while, I think, that you seem to be supporting his approach to avenging the suspicious but tragic events of 7 October 2023.

Next, I'm sure that there are many resentful Muslims who would like to see Israel destroyed but Netanyahu's genocidal agenda has only caused their number to increase.

I know it's an oversimplification but if Palestinians and Israelis are to co exist, side by side, one of two things need to happen:
1. All of the Palestinians would have to be exterminated and / or expelled
2. Israel must at least get close to complying with UN Resolutions # 242 and # 338 and / or abandon some of its illegal "Settlements" to allow for a viable Palestinian state without Hamas' involvement.

I hope that I have clarified some of my views and managed to explain how one can be against a particular Israeli government and not be anti Israel.

Thanks,

 

That is far from correct. There was no occupation prior to the attack. Their containment is the result of strapping explosives on their children and sending them to cafes or buses to kill Jews. Their situation is on Palestinian leadership, keeping their people angry and primitive to preserve their willingness to be exploited as pawns for Jew haters. In all the debates on this issue, I have never seen a single post about improving the lives of Palestinian people. If only their leaders cared about their people as much as they hate Jews.

 

The Jewish population in Iran and Turkey are declining. The cleansing is still in progress. Jews are second class citizens with no voice and no chance of political influence. Israel, on the other hand, has elected Muslims.

Unfortunately, land for peace does not work. Looking at the surrounding region, it is clear that as long as there is one square foot of Jewish land, it will be too much for the other side.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-jew...ly-spitting-at-christian-cleric-in-jerusalem/

It isn't so peaceful for non Jews in Israel. While it is certainly better than their neighbors, it is far from completely tolerant. How much of that intolerance exists, one needs to dig deeper.

 

Nothing at all to do with the fact that the Israeli government is no different to Hamas except one is using their ability to murder, mutilate and kidnap a much higher number that the other could do

 

Far from correct. At the first sign of danger, Israeli leadership moves their women and children into bomb shelters. They do not strap explosives on their children. Israel is a thriving society that works to advance science, medicine, tech and agriculture. In Israel, Muslims live in safety and even hold political office. Gay people, Christians, atheists non-Jews, and those critical of religion/government are allowed to exist.

They are not just different, its not even close.

 

So, nothing of note then.

 

Just as Muslim and Christian communities are declining in Israel. Seems like that doesn't bother you though.

Not very intellectual honesty appraisal there buddy.

 

is that why the IDF failed to react to Oct 7 and instead used Israelis as human shields?

Israel is only thriving because of the billions of aid sent by USA taxpayers to prop up the Jewish fascist state.

 

More than will fit in one post. (Exceeds character limit)

Of course it doesn't bother me. Its false.

Israel has a population of 182,000 Christians as of 2021, it is the only growing Christian community in the Middle East.

At the end of 2021, the Muslim population of Israel was estimated to be 18.1% of all residents in the country, enumerating 1.707 million. The growth rate for Muslims in Israel annually was 2.1% in 2021, and the total fertility rate (TFR) fell from 3.16 births per woman in 2019, to 2.99 births per woman by 2020.

Also false. They were taken by surprise and lacked the ability to defend themselves. This was a big mistake. I hope that Israelis have more armed citizens so that the terrorists catch only bullets next time. There was one Kibbutz where the ladies were able to get to their firearms. These girls killed all the terrorists without a single causality on their side. Your side is not in a position to criticize fascism or dependency.

 

In late December, Father Francesco Patton, Custodian of the Holy Land of the Catholic Church and Chief Custodian of the Christian Holy Places in Jerusalem, said in an article under the title: “Holy Land Christians are at Threat of Extinction: Israeli radicals are waging a war of attrition against peaceful believers who have no desire to fight. We need outside help to survive”.

Patton explained that while the Christian presence in Palestine dates back to more than two thousand years, it has become “threatened and our future is at risk. Where once we numbered 20 percent of the population of Jerusalem, today the Christian community counts for less than 2 percent.”

Father Patton accused “radical local groups with extremist ideologies” of making “the lives of many Christians unbearable” by repeatedly committing “hate crimes” and offences against priests, monks and worshipers alike.

In conclusion, he urged that “radical groups cannot be permitted to undermine the presence of any community or the beautiful diversity which makes Jerusalem the spiritual capital of the world.”

The Times of Israel has conceded that “extremist Jewish activists have for years carried out acts of vandalism against Christian sites in Jerusalem and other areas of Israel, including writing hate graffiti and arson.”

Last week, the patriarchs and heads of Christian churches in Jerusalem appealed to the Israeli, Palestinian and Jordanian governments to stand up to radical groups threatening the local Christian communities. Global voices.org

This looks like a genocide against Christianity in Jerusalem.

 

false.

The communities on the Gaza border were left defenseless. They expected the IDF to arrive within minutes, not within hours; they expected air force assets overhead immediately. They expected that no one would ever be kidnapped to Gaza. The shocked look on the Israelis being carted off to Gaza says it all. Israel promised them “never again,” and we were told that here we have a strong state; we are not like the people who were rounded up by Nazis. But the 60,000 Israelis who live near Gaza were left to be rounded up. Women were left to be carted off like a prize. They were failed by everyone. Jerusalempost.

 

Thats nice. The truth is that Israel has the only growing Christian community in the Middle East.

 

You countered your own statement. That does not describe human shields. Of course they failed.

 

According to Jewish sources no doubt.

Never trust a man that changed his name from polish to Hebrew.

 

The kibbutz' themselves were human shields. It should go without saying if you actually read the statement.

 

While it is true that some Jewish members had negotiations with Nazi about allowing Jews to leave Germany, I never head Nazi trained Jews to fight - if you have aby information about this fact, please share in with us.
Here is information about famous Palestinian AMIN AL-HUSAYNI
who spent time with Hitler and created Muslims army to help Nazi Germany:
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/film/hajj-amin-al-husayni-meets-hitler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...erman-ss-and-bosnian-members-of-the-waffen-ss

And how about atrocities committed on Jews:
Here is a partial list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Etzion
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On May 13, a massive attack began, involving parts of two Arab Legion infantry companies, light artillery[19] and local irregular support, attacking from four directions. The kibbutz fell within a day; the Arab forces massacred 127 of the 133 surrendering defenders. The total number of dead during the final assault, including those killed in the massacre and those who committed suicide, was estimated to be between 75 and 250. Only three men and one woman survived
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
he Hebron massacre was the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Tlass
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Tlass had also boasted to the National Assembly about cannibalist atrocities committed against Israeli soldiers who fell captive in the Yom Kippur war. "I gave the Medal of the Republic's Hero, to a soldier from Aleppo, who killed 28 Jewish soldiers. He did not use the military weapon to kill them but utilized the ax to decapitate them. He then devoured the neck of one of them and ate it in front of the people. I am proud of his courage and bravery, for he actually killed by himself 28 Jews by count and cash."[25][26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Tiberias_massacre
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The Tiberias massacre took place on 2 October 1938, during the 1936-39 Arab revolt in Tiberias, then located in the British Mandate of Palestine and today is located in the State of Israel.[2]
After infiltrating the Jewish Kiryat Shmuel neighbourhood, Arab rioters killed 19 Jews in Tiberias, 11 of whom were children.[1] During the massacre, 70 armed Arabs set fire to Jewish homes and the local synagogue. In one house a mother and her five children were killed. The old beadle in the synagogue was stabbed to death, and another family of 4 was killed.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Yehuda_Street_bombings#1948_bombing
On February 22, 1948, three British Army trucks led by an armoured car driven by Arab irregulars and British deserters exploded on Ben Yehuda Street killing from 49 to 58 civilians[1][2] and injuring from 140 to 200.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadassah_medical_convoy_massacre
The Hadassah convoy massacre took place on April 13, 1948, when a convoy, escorted by Haganah militia, bringing medical and military supplies and personnel to Hadassah Hospital on Mount Scopus, Jerusalem, was ambushed by Arab forces.[1][2]. Seventy-eight Jewish doctors, nurses, students, patients, faculty members and Haganah fighters, and one British soldier were killed in the attack, including twenty three women. Dozens of unidentified bodies, burned beyond recognition, were buried in a mass grave in the Sanhedria Cemetery.
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Hamas member describes how he raped Israeli women:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1773366274938020199
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...curred-during-hamas-attack-israel-2024-03-04/
UN team says rape, gang rape likely occurred during Hamas attack on Israel
A team of United Nations experts reported on Monday that there were "reasonable grounds to believe" sexual violence, including rape and gang rape, occurred at several locations during the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by Hamas militants.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'alot_massacre
The Ma'alot massacre[1] was a Palestinian terrorist attack that occurred on 14-15 May 1974 and involved the hostage-taking of 115 Israelis, chiefly school children, which ended in the murder of 25 hostages and six other civilians.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_massacre
On 1 June 2001, a Hamas-affiliated Islamist[dubious - discuss] terrorist blew himself up outside the Dolphinarium discotheque on the beachfront in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 21 Israelis, 16 of whom were teenagers.[1][2][3] The majority of the victims were Israeli teenage girls whose families had recently immigrated from the former Soviet Union.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv–Jerusalem_bus_405_suicide_attack
The Tel Aviv-Jerusalem bus 405 attack (Hebrew: הפיגוע בקו 405) was a suicide attack which occurred on 6 July 1989, during the First Intifada, and was carried out by Abd al-Hadi Ghanim of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.[1] On a crowded Egged commuter bus line No. 405 en route from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem, Ghanim seized the steering wheel of the bus, running it off a steep cliff into a ravine in the area of Qiryat Ye'arim.[1] Sixteen civilians-including two Canadians and one American-died in the attack, and 27 were wounded.[2]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Helena_Rapp
The Murder of Helena Rapp occurred on 24 May 1992 when a Palestinian stabbed her to death in the Israeli coastal city of Bat Yam. Rapp was fifteen when she was killed.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afula_bus_suicide_bombing
The Afula bus suicide bombing was carried out on 6 April 1994, at a bus stop next to an Egged bus in the center of Afula, Israel. Eight Israeli civilians were killed in the attack and 55 were injured. Hamas and PIJ claimed responsibility for the attack.[1]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Itamar_attack
The Itamar attack,[2] also called the Itamar massacre,[3] was a terrorist attack on an Israeli family in the Israeli settlement of Itamar in the West Bank that took place on 11 March 2011, in which five members of the same family were murdered in their beds. The victims were the father Ehud (Udi) Fogel, the mother Ruth Fogel, and three of their six children—Yoav, 11, Elad, 4, and Hadas, the youngest, a three-month-old infant. The infant was decapitated.

 

According to your source, Christian population in the surrounding is dwindling. I am an atheist and can book a trip to Israel and still return with my head. Where else in the region can I do that?

I did and you are far from describing human shields.

 

The kibbutz' were used as frontline human shields.

 

Repeating false statement don't make then true. Many kibbutzim have shared bomb shelters. Near Gaza, most have “safe rooms” in their homes and apartments because of frequent rocket and mortar fire. "These reinforced safe rooms, popularly known as a “mamad,” are required in all new buildings by Israeli law since the first Gulf War.

 

Nu - hu is not a good rebuttal. The kibbutz' are one mile from Gaza, with children, women and old folks, all poorly equipped to deal with a prison break. IDF were warned by Egypt, warned by Israeli surveillance teams working on the border. The IDF were warned that the frontline was about to be attacked and the IDF allowed the kibbutz' to be used as human shields.

The irony is that it was IDF that actually killed many of the kibbutz' residents. Y@smin por@t testified to this so don't even give me some fake news or willful denial.

If you'd been to Israel yourself you would see how they treat eachother. They literally leave eachother to die in the streets for fear of litigation.

It's unlikely you would know this, you wouldn't even be allowed into Israel and someone with views such as mine would get their throat slit in Israel and dumped in the dead sea.

Israel has become an ethno facsist military dictatorship and racist one to boot.

 

Jews do, indeed, have political representation in both Iran and Turkey and the reason for the current decline in population is for the same reason I predicted months ago.

Netanyahu's genocide has not only made Israel less secure. It has increased anti Jewish sentiment around the world and made Jews less secure everywhere.

Re:

Where are Jews experiencing ethnic cleansing?
The only push for ethnic cleansing has been in Israel where even before Netanyahu's genocide, about half of Israel's Jews supporting ethnic cleansing of Palestine's Muslims then and you can be sure that many more feel ever even

“Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/almost-half-of-israeli-jews-want-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html

EXCERPT “Almost half of Jewish Israelis believe Arabs should be "expelled or transferred" from Israel, a survey has found." CONTINUED


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Jews have representatives in both the Iranian and Turkish government while Palestine's native Muslim residents are being systematically exterminated.
Israel's recent "Nationality Law" officially relegated to 2nd class citizen status

We don't know that Land-for-peace will war or not because Israel will not adhere to International Law (UN Res. # 242 & # 33 or anything close to it. If you had followed the different proposals you would have seen that the Netanyahu regime has been far more effort to expansionist Settlement sprawl than any peace effort.

Because you've been so professionally deceived by Western pro Israel MSM bias, you are unaware of the "other" hostages being tortured and humiliated for the entertainment of Israel's sadistic land thieves. (1)

I sincerely feel that your sentiments would be different if you relied on a broader range of independent, international sources.

I will admit that many of things that I heard and saw during my 10 - 11 months among the Muslims helped influence some of my opinions.

Therefore, since even the Japanese are aware of U.S. Media's pro Israel bias so isn't it at least possible that decades of exposure to that same U.S. MSM bias has helped shape your opinions.

Thanks,







(1). “IDF Let Israeli Civilians Film Torture of Palestinian Detainees: Report”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-torture

EXCERPT “Israel Defense Forces officers brought Israeli civilians into detention centers and allowed them to watch and film Palestinian prisoners being tortured, according to survivor testimonies published this week by the Geneva-based Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor.

“Prisoners held at detention centers in Zikim on the northern border of the Gaza Strip and at a site in southern Israel affiliated with Naqab Prison "told Euro-Med Monitor that the Israeli soldiers had purposefully presented them before Israeli civilians, falsely claiming that they were fighters affiliated with Palestinian armed factions and that they had taken part in the October 7 attack on Israeli towns," the group said.

“The former detainees said groups of 10-20 Israeli civilians were brought in and allowed to record torture sessions in which the men, stripped nearly naked, were beaten with metal batons, electrocuted, and had hot water poured over their heads. The ex-prisoners said some of the Israelis laughed while filming their torture.” CONTINUED


(2). “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/09/01/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-media-coverage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.WMLm5mafK_U

EXCERPT “Why does TV news look like a Netanyahu ad?” asked Chris McGreal of The Guardian on July 31, in his article on the “notoriously pro-Israel mainstream media in the U.S.” CONTINUED