Democratic anger over Israel reaches new heights

There is irrefutable proof that Israel knew of the Hamas attack at least a year in advance and deliberately ignored the numerous warning signs.

It is probable that the Netanyahu regime deliberately allowed the attack to occur and continue for hours in order to justify the current Zionist genocide and seizure of Gaza.

It wouldn't have been the first time that Zionists were willing to sacrifice other Jews for the sake of a "Greater Israel". (1)


"New York Times report says Israel knew about Hamas attack over a year in advance"
https://apnews.com/article/new-york-times-hamas-attack-israel-gaza-6088cad78f5e4153d671fe9b5b819308

EXCERPT "The attack was planned in plain sight. A month before the assault, Hamas posted a video to social media showing fighters using explosives to blast through a replica of the border gate, sweep in on pickup trucks and then move building by building through a full-scale reconstruction of an Israeli town, firing automatic weapons at human-silhouetted paper targets.

In the video, the militants destroyed mock-ups of the wall’s concrete towers and a communications antenna, just as they would do for real on Oct. 7.

Adding to public outrage over the military’s apparent negligence, the Israeli media has reported that military officials dismissed warnings from female border spotters who warned that they were witnessing Hamas’ preparations for the attack. According to the media reports, the young women reported seeing Hamas drones and attempts to knock out Israeli border cameras in the months leading up to the attack." CONTINUED



(1). “If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”
Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).
https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

 

I do not know the answer to your question posed.

I do know that when Israel was brand new in 1948, it quickly floated its plan/theory of Greater Israel which it is still seeking today, taking over the land of other countries in the area. Safe to exist is coveting your neighbors land and taking belligerent actions to reach that goal?

At least Ike stood up to Israel and put them in their place.

 

You are making my case for me. It appears that you know its not safe to have these people near women and children.

My reply was not a "nuh uh"; it referenced facts showing that Israel takes measures to keep their people safe. At the first sign of danger, they move their people into shelters. Your reply does not refute that fact. This comes nowhere close to "human shields"

You have not been able to support the claim that IDF killed their own people. That is false.
As far as how they treat each other, I believe all societies around the world can treat people better. your side is not is a position to criticize. I could book a trip to Israel and return with my head still attached. Where else in the region could I do that?

 

No offense, but duh! Only one with a profound level of ignorance would not predict that there will eventually be an attack. They should have been prepared. To take this as deliberately feeding their women and children to these beasts, is far from reasonable. It is likely they will have more armed citizens and more defensible space moving forward.

Interesting. "Putting them in their place" is a term used to describe those with a lower value. Perhaps wanting to exist makes them Israelis "uppity".

The land in dispute was taken by force during the Muslim conquests. The side you are debating on behalf of is in no position to use the arguments "Taken by force" or "We were here first." Jews lived there thousands of years before Islam began.

 

Nope, not uppity, just vain enough to see themselves as God's Chosen People, their words not mine.

From the moment they were "given" Palestine they began hostilities. Was Ike correct to stand up to belligerent criminals? Or should he have given Ben Gurion a pass because BG was "special status" declared in some Holy Book?

 

utter falsehood. The kibbutz' are a frontline of non combatant human shields made up of children, women and old folks, many of them anti Likud activists.

This could be the reason they were left defenses and used as human shields by netandyahoo. Killing two birds with one stone, hamas and Jewish activists, simultaneously boosting his poll ratings.

 

Jews lived there 2000 years ago according to the bible but you don't believe in the bible right?

Which is it, you can't claim that god gave Jews Israel but not believe in god?

 

All religious people believe that they worship the only true god and that they are following the only true religion. Are you claiming that Muslims don't believe they are superior? Not all religions believe that non-believers (apostates) should be put to death.

From my point of view, the religion saying "We are chosen and won't let you in the club" is far better for society than "Believe or I will kill you"

 

So Israel hired rapists for political gain? Interesting. I don't see how a reasonable person could believe that.

 

I don't believe in god or religion. I wasn't there in 1800 BCE, but it appears as though Jews were.

 

It sounds like you either didn't read the information or haven't paid attention to the number of times I've described the conflict as "cyclical violence".

Of course an attack can occur any time when there is chronic cyclical violence but rarely does one intercept specific times and objectives detailing the precise targets and tactics of one's adversary.

Briefly put, Hamas posted precise details as to exactly how and when the attack was going to occur so it was far from a "surprise" attack to at least some members of Israel's right wing regime:

EXCERPT "The Times said Israeli officials were in possession of a 40-page battle plan, code-named “Jericho Wall,” that detailed a hypothetical Hamas attack on southern Israeli communities.

It was unclear how the document was obtained by Israel, but the article said that it had been translated — indicating it may have been in Arabic and directly intercepted from Hamas."CONTINUED (1)

Since at least a few members of Netanyahu's government had the 40 page attack plan and not only ignored it but withdrew forces from the areas to be attacked, they wanted it to be as horrific as possible to justify a more thorough genocide and excuse to destroy and seize Gaza.

If you still disagree, please explain the following:

- The day before, Israel had several high-level meetings on a possible attack by Hamas.

- Border guards in Israel who have been interviewed prior to the attack of last week stressed that they had all kinds of monitoring equipment of every type watching the Israeli border 24/7 day and night and a bug couldn't move out there without their knowing about it.

- After the attack, despite there being IDF everywhere in the country and military gear everywhere, help to the Israeli victims took between 8 to 20 hours to arrive. Why?

- The attack on Israel occurred on a Holy holiday, exactly 50 years to the day of the attack on Israel and war of 1973.

- Arabs like to attack on holidays and recurring dates and events.

- The decision at these meetings was to do nothing. Not to call out the IDF to man the border

- Who made that decision?

I've already provided proof (2) that Zionists have frequently sacrificed the lives of other Jews for a "Greater Israel".
If you want even more proof, just take a look at:

"The ‘Zionist Betrayal of Jews’ from Herzl to Netanyahu, by Stanley Heller"
https://mondoweiss.net/2019/12/the-...ws-from-herzl-to-netanyahu-by-stanley-heller/

The tragic yet suspicious event of 7 October 2024 might have been a surprise to its victims but it was clearly not a surprise to all members of Israel's right wing, Netanyahu regime who needed an excuse to seize Gaza and exterminate as many of Gaza's residents as the world will sit by and tolerate.

Thanks,







(1). "New York Times report says Israel knew about Hamas attack over a year in advance"
https://apnews.com/article/new-york-times-hamas-attack-israel-gaza-6088cad78f5e4153d671fe9b5b819308


(2). “If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”

Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

 

Holy carp people .. there were no Jews in 1800 BC .. not even any Israelites back that far .. only Canaanites .. like Abe's lineage. Jews do not exist until after the Babylonian captivity round 500 BC .. then we have Jews .. Judaism that comes together during the Persian period when Jews allowed back to Jerusalem.

Now .. 2000 years ago .. the time of Christ .. Jews been living in Jerusalem and area since ~500 BC when allowed back from Babylon by Persia .. they eventually gain quazi autonomy in the region in the period in between the Greeks and Romans controlling the Region ... The Jews rebel against the Romans -- as we all know--- and they destroy the Temple. around 70 AD .. what they also do is expel all the Jews from Jerusalem .. and region .. Jerusalem converted to a bit time pagan holy site - been that way ever since.

Maybe one day the Jewish folks will build a temple in Jerusalem ... it has been almost 2000 years.

 

Some ppl believe anything, like hamas beheaded 40 babies, right?

 

Right, so you don't believe in god but you believe he gave the white Jewish Europeans, Israel?

 

None of that supports the claim that they knew the precise timing. Certainly Israel should be criticized for letting their guard down. Claiming that they intentionally fed their own people to savage rapist is far from reasonable and is nothing more than an attempt to demonize Israel. That is a move from the Pallywood playbook.

 

I was not there, so I don't know how many babies they beheaded or how many young girls they violated. What I do know is that they are primitive savages bent on cleansing the land of Jews as they have done in the surrounding region. Your own posts support that observation.

 

Making claims as to what I believe comes at the expense of ones own credibility. I made no such claim. Either quote me or retract your false statement about me.

 

All just show, the West will always back Israel and rightly so, Israel is a democracy and other democracies will always support it

 

@Doofenshmirtz

Dude, you gotta learn when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em.

Defending the actions of the Israeli government since 1948 is a task full of frustration, rather like promoting the Flat Earth idea.

 

tell me you don't really believe that promotion of "Democracy and Freedom" have anything to do with US foreign policy other than platitudinal lip service.. Please tell me it is not as it seems on the surface .. one who has been around this hang-out for this long .. who still believes such necessary illusions ?

That was a reference to one of Chomsky's book which desperately needs a read from some of our contestants .. .. put some objectivity into the arena

Yes ..Fulfilling the Zionist Charter of Ethnic Cleansing on the basis of genetic inferiority . and/or .. inferiority in general .. you know .. sub-human like

 

Of course it does, the West is always the good guys, far from perfect but always in the right.

 

Snitches get stitches.

I'd imagine one doesn't last long in Israel by criticizing the current regime.

 

OK Robert !! I C ! "Always the good guys" --- just like Big Brother tell us -- over and over .. and over ... now we can say it all by ourselves "Always the Good Guys -- Democracy and Freedom"

So -- when Al Qaeda and ISIS are conducting acts of terror on behalf of Iran they are the bad guys Right .. BUT, when conducting acts of terror on behalf of USA .. they are the Good Guys..

and - when the other guy commits crimes against humanity they are the "bad guys" .. but when it is our lads committing the war crimes they are the Good guys.

That is some cool prog blue cancel crew logic you have going on there Bob

 

I wasn't around in 1948 and it is far easier to defend Israel than the side that has successfully cleansed their land of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, and those critical of religion/government. The Flat Earth is a lot like a thriving population of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, and those critical of religion/government in the region surrounding Israel. They don't exist!

In Israel, people are safe to criticize religion/government without fear of being executed for blaspheme or apostacy.

 

The USA should renege on this. Sure, Israel is entitled to defend itself, but not to any extent.

From the NYT: