The Big Question: Does anyone know why we support Ukraine?

That gets so old. If that's your reasoning, let's look at the 194 countries that aren't getting attacked. I guess you can thank Biden for that! And you know full well that Trump would have either handed over Ukraine to Russia or would have responded in the same way as Biden so take your brown finger out of Trump's rump.

 

Thus proving their point.

 

That makes absolutely zero sense. If Trump was such a friend of Putin then Putin would have gladly invaded Ukraine while he was in office instead of waiting until we have such a weak and ineffective president like we have now.

 

How about you take your partisan fingers out of your ears and off of your eyes?

If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their tiny asses when they hopped. But the fact of the matter is he waited until we have this milk toast president in office

 

And if Putin invaded and trump did nothing it would make trump look bad, plus trump wants the US out of NATO.

 

That makes absolutely zero sense. Biden is the one that got caught blackmailing Ukraine.

But why don't you explain to us and be specific... How exactly Trump's presidency would have made them the weakest they've been in a long time.

Don't just give us some kind of figure of speech give us something specific

 

As we used to say at my alma mater: good bull. Well done.

 

And if bullfrogs had wings they wouldn't bump their tiny pelvis bones every time they hop.

The fact of the matter is, is that Trump is not in office and we see what is happening. That's reality.... Not some hypothetical well maybe or what if or possibly...

 

Who cares. The Ukrainians are killing Russians a long time opponent of the United States and that's all that matters

 

The ONLY change the Trump campaign requested to the GOP platform was to go easier on Russia for invading Ukraine. Trump defended the invasion and repeatedly spoke against every single step we had taken against Russia for said invasion. The "arming" that Trump did was a bill that he played NO role in getting passed, passed almost unanimously, did not require his signature in any way, and even then he cried about signing it and called it unconstitutional. Even now, his "ideas" for negotiation involve favoring Russia. The only way to pretend you don't understand this **** is to avoid anything and everything Trump has said or done about this topic.

 

So Biden mind controlled putin into attacking. Got it.

 

That's a really nice list of allegations devoid of any supporting evidence.

But the reality is he did not invade while Trump was president. He smells the weakness of the current administration and got right on it.

How many more billions of dollars do you think that we should keep giving Ukraine?

It can be like our own adopted little Afghanistan for the next two decades.

 

Come back when you have something remotely resembling any sort of argument .

 

Which of the things that I said do you deny? I'll be honest, I haven't actually met anyone who didn't know this stuff before and/or who denies it. Also, the "weakness" argument is dumber than dog ****. Trump was far, far, far weaker in this respect. And even the Trumpists who blame Biden can't decide if Putin invaded because Biden was too weak on Russia or too strong on Russia. Trumpists like to say both.

And if you are saying he's weak, then you should want him to be stronger . . . so you should want him spending more . . . not less. But, of course, you haven't really thought of that.

Go ahead. Tell us. How should Biden be stronger against Russia on Ukraine?

 

I see you've invested in a mirror. Good choice.

 

You really shouldn't accuse anyone's argument of being dumber than dog fecal matter.

We have our own needs here at home and we have so many needs that the government says we don't have the funds to fill but yet we're sitting here giving billions and billions of dollars to a foreign country worried about their border when we don't give a s*** about our own damn border.

Now tell me whose argument is dumber than dog s*** again.

Now if this is the only way you can speak to someone you can go away and speak to someone else because I'm not going to get baited into responding to such pureile little insults.

Hopefully you can understand that.

But yes we should just keep giving Ukraine billions of dollars for who knows how many decades

 

The desperate attempts to shift the goalposts, distract to other topics, and throw strawman arguments at the computer screen aren't going to cut it. Hopefully you can understand that. There's a reason your side is desperate to hide from the relevant arguments.

Don't mind me, though. You were busy saying that Russia invaded Ukraine because of Biden's "weakness" while you explicitly demand that Biden be even more weak against Russia.

 

No, really it has nothing to do with WEAKNESS.

The Ukraine army had 680,000 regular soldiers, that's more,
than the US army, although the US army has a national
guard and reserves as well.

We started the war in Ukraine by THREATENING Russia,
not by showing weakness.

But why am I explaining this when nobody ever learns
anything on this forum?

Just to get it clear in my own mind.

 

IMHO opinion we don't want to make the same mistake that Neville Chamberlain did on 30 September 1938 with 'Peace on our time' speech:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time
Chamberlain thought that by agreeing to all Hitlers demands he will save the peace, but as Churchill said: "the government had to choose between war and shame. They chose shame. They will get war too.”
And today Putin has the same aim as Hitler - he tries to make Russia superpower - he attacked Ukraine, stole Crimea, attacked Georgia and his TV talks how Russia needs return to previous glory fighting decadent Western civilization.

 

"Our support of the attack on Crocus City Hall"?
The US warned Russia about ISIS attack, so who is yours 'Ours support"?

 

That's just evidence of the ignorance of this on all sides of the debates about it. Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014, after their efforts to manipulate the then Ukrainian president blew up in their faces. They just didn't do it openly, instead sending in forces without insignia to take over Crimea and attempt to do the same in the Donbas, triggering the "civil" war in that region. It was only following their failure to progress in that war, and Ukraine inevitably leaning further West as a result, that they resorted to the open invasion that led to where they are today.

You can't seriously believe that! Donetsk was being bombed because it was already under control of Russian forces. The idea that Ukraine was acting without justification is no less ridiculous that the same claim about Russia (note that doesn't mean all the Ukrainian actions in the Donbass were right either).

 

Same reason US under Reagan bankrupted USSR. We want weak Russia, not strong, and them attacking Ukraine only shows WHY we want that. They are, and have always been, the evil empire. Its sad to see so many Russia leg humpers in todays alt-right populist US citizens, and that mindset was non-existent before 2016.

 

obvious non sequiter. You Russian trolls need to be more clever.

 

We shouldn't be involved....The conflict is convoluted and has been going on since 2014. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries out there--hate the thought of sending money to their government. The hype about evil Russia without any backstory or explanation on how events transpired is a red flag. Reminds me of when we got involved in Syria...

 

How is it you know what's been going on in Ukraine and almost nobody else does?