What values do the political left/right share?

Your point can neither be demonstrated nor proven. That's what happens when you post hyperbolic, hate-based rhetoric.

 

Well stated? "I'm right and you're wrong" is a juvenile response. One may as well add "nyah nyah nyah!"

 

Political leaders are too focused on staying in power.

 

Wow. That's just as senseless as his post was. That isn't debate, just argument. Made me think of that old Monty Python routine.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mon...2ahUKEwjh4qmD7amFAxVaMDQIHc3yCc4QjukCegQIIBAE

 

Well said, Doof!

 

How about stay out of a woman's personal business? The right just cannot seem to do that. You want less government oversight into your life, don't you? So do women.

 

Both sides have no shortage of people that want their party to have complete control. Doesn’t matter to me which side is more authoritarian, as both are too authoritarian for me to support.

 

That’s why I’ve to the position that term limits are needed for the House and Senate. We might lose some good members as a result, but it will remove a lot a dead wood and will keep corrupt offices from staying power for many years.

 

Yes, you’re right. While some safeguards need to be in place for late term abortion, the government needs to stay out the issue for at least 24 weeks. I strongly disagree with my governor, Ron DeSantis on that issue. It has soured my wife on him, and has left me wondering why he has squandered so much political capital on it.

 

Can you explain the "limit the freedoms of the opposition"? There are disagreements about gun rights, abortion, war on drugs, GOP banning social media, 'moral policing' etc, That what you mean? Sure, the left wants gun control, and GOP wants to be the moral police. These topics are discussed all the time.

Shared values? Democracy, free market economy, Constitution, American pastimes, and pretty much everything other than political wedge issues. The problem is people being laser focused on the wedge issues, as if nothing else mattered. Certain politicians, like Trump, depend on the "divide and conquer" approach which is why they insist on highlighting the wedge issues in order to keep the nation divided. The 'other side' must be portrayed as the enemy. Our real enemies LOVE seeing that.

 

"We're right, they're wrong!"

There is little point trying to find common ground between the extremists of any kind. The trick is to stop giving them attention and focus on the large majority of normal people, quietly getting on fairly well together regardless of any differences of opinion we might have.

 

Exactly how are people "on the right" trying to limit the FREEDOM of anyone? Those who might be into capitalism, religious zealots, and "small" gov't can have their own degrees of authoritarianism and demand government regulates behaviors some of the halloween characters of the bed wetting left call "rights". As far as I'm concerned they're still more leftist than I am. I don't even care if moonbats abort their genetic garbage. They can huff spray paint for all I care, so I don't even support the terrorism of the state in conducting asinine "drug wars".

 

murder is not personal business nor is maiming children in exchange for your fifteen minutes of fame.

 

Why waste time pandering to the extremes of left and right? The only values they seem to share are intolerance and ignorance.
The vast majority of Americans are purple and can agree that respect and tolerance are the foundations of a successful modern society.

 

I don't know if they can find common ground at this point.
I don't think you are gonna get the right to agree with free for all borders and free for all crime with barely any punishment or incentive to not re-commit said crimes.
The entire left has been militarized at this point. They are willing to eat some crow now to have a one party rule in the future, hence Biden's mass IMPORTATION of future voters. Their has always been political turmoil but the left has been making big moves to eradicate the GOP permanently and I believe they will most likely succeed.
Long story short, there can be no compromise. There cant even be a civil war because the left will just have the military eradicate its competition. Buckle up and get ready for 1984 folks! Its coming!

 

Gerrymandering and court stacking are ways each attempt to stack the deck in their favor thus expanding their own freedom at the cost of another’s freedom. Freedom is so subjective that what is freedom to one is curtailing freedom to another. For example, abortion. One side says babies should be free to be born while the other says women should be free to choose to abort or not. Issues like this are unresolvable as the competing sides have diametrically opposing values.

Partisans on each side will be hard pressed to even see how they try to force their will on others as it is our nature to have a delusional sense of self and our tribe. I am betting if I start a thread asking each side to tell us how the other is trying to take away their freedoms that each side will have a laundry list of examples. I may do this.

 

Data I have seen from Gallup and Pew is that the majority of moderates is slowly shrinking while partisanship continues to rise. Over 40% on each side see the other as stupid or evil. On top of this congressional bipartisanship has been declining for decades and is becoming a rarity. This does not bode well for a democracy that requires mutual respect and cooperation to survive.

I am a moderate and all it seems to have done is make me hated by both sides.

 

Data I have reviewed does not show that moderates are a vast majority. We are a majority, but a shrinking one. This is cause for concern. I am a moderate and seem to mostly piss off both sides. It does not matter if it is here on the forums, on social media or in real life… I find few that are not partisan leftists or MAGA.

 

The divisiveness only comes from the divided by definition. Most people don't engage with politics at all (including on forums like this) and those who do risk being dragged out to one side or another, certainly on specific issues they may care about. That's why more focus and attention on moderates is what is needed. I'm not saying it'd be easy and I don't even know how you'd achieve it though.

I usually take that as a sign that I'm on the right track. Unfortunately, being right rarely coincides with being popular. Don't get disheartened and stick to your principles.

 

Well said. Thanks.

 

Your emotional views on this issue were duly noted long ago. However, no woman's body should ever be subject to government control, not under any circumstances. Sorry, but it really is none of your business, or mine.

 

Sorry no womans is. Unless of course the government thinks she should take a shot of dubious value in which case our positions reverse.

 

That's a question a lot of us have.

I remember when RvW was overturned, many of those on the right kept saying it was giving the decision back to the states, but we now see that was a lie as they now try to sneak in a national ban.

 

The right overturned Roe vs Wade is one example of the right limiting freedoms. The left will say this limited the reproductive rights of women. To think only the left tries to limit freedoms is silly. Set aside your political loyalty and join me in the center then you will see both fight to limit freedoms of others while trying to expand their own. Loyalty makes partisans all but blind to this.

 

What that?