Genitalia vs Chromosomes: what makes you male of female?

What kind of identity.

 

And how you identify with sex orientation determines your self concept and identity.

https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-030-88832-9_115
https://www.jneurosci.org/content/40/1/37.abstract

 

So gender identity isn't a social construct then.

Wow you should really get your story straight.

I mean if you can't even figure out what you're talking about, how is anyone else?

 

We have, that you ignore reality is not our problem.

 

Ah yes, the reality of a third gender that you can't explain or name.

What a great grasp of reality you have.

 

Really painted yourself into a corner there didn't you.

 

The concepts are simple so let me explain it in small words. You “get” that in English words can have more than one meaning and more than one application yes? When we talk of “gender identity” then we are talking of an individual not a society.

let me go to the WHO discussion on this

https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-m...ers to “the different,groups of women and men.

Clear now or do you need me discuss it further?

 

No I was actually quite clear as anyone who understands these terms correctly will see. Forget the attempt at semantic rubbish it is just an attempt at etymological fallacy.

 

Your arguments are such nonsense that you don't even understand that you've said gender is both a social construct and NOT a social construct.

Let's clarify it then, you can use small words for me if you'd like.

Is gender something you're born with or is it a social construct?

Is sex something you're born with or is it a social construct?

 

Let's see.

You have argued this:

Gender refers to "the socially constructed characteristics of women and men

and you have argued this:

Gender identity (an individual’s perception of being male or female) and sexual orientation (heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality) are programmed into our brain during early development

There is no evidence that one’s postnatal social environment plays a crucial role in the development of gender identity or sexual orientation.


Taking both sides of the argument is effective, in a "broken clock being right twice a day" kind of way.

Hilarious.

 

Says the person claiming that gender identity both is, and is not, a social construct.

It's so easy. All I have to do is let you keep talking and you defeat yourself.

 

Yes I do.

 

Not claiming that and I always know I have won when the opposition resorts to ad hominem attacks

 

And all of them refer to male or female, not "other" or some variance that isn't male or female. For instance:

Faʻafafine are people who identify themselves as having a third gender or non-binary role in Samoa, American Samoa and the Samoan diaspora. A recognised gender identity/gender role in traditional Samoan society, and an integral part of Samoan culture, faʻafafine are assigned male at birth, and explicitly embody both masculine and feminine gender traits in a way unique to Polynesia.[citation needed] Their behaviour typically ranges from extravagantly feminine to conventionally masculine.[1]

Link: Faʻafafine - Wikipedia

Even your reference to "Sister brothers or Sistergirls" references male and female by its very wording.

Recognizing that people think/believe differently does not negate the factual reality that they're still "male" or "female" and not some third gender that isn't male or female.

Also...are you not going to address what we talked about earlier in the thread? Do I have to quote it for you again?

 

I see no conflict as the research I quoted is new research published only in 2022 and as science collects further data I expect the terminology to shift, again you are relying almost solely on an entomological fallacy.

if you really care about this then you should be out there protesting the increasing amount of Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDCs) in our environment

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763420306527

 

Yes and they re treated as a “third gender”. Look into this further if you do not believe me - there are some good resources out there on traditional third genders

https://www.redeemer-cincy.org/uploads/images/gender-diversity-in-indigenous-cultures_205.pdfhttps://www.redeemer-cincy.org/uploads/images/gender-diversity-in-indigenous-cultures_205.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

Europeans did not acknowledge anything but binary gender however that did not mean they were above interfering in other peoples development

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato

 

And how many people that claim to be transgender actually show those differences? IE: How many are actually tested and shown to have the results you are talking about. All of them? I'll bet you the only ones ever tested are those that brought about those results.

 

Yeah, don't care how they were treated. All I care about is reality. And when the brick hits the road...those people are still male or female, not some "other". The only point I was making is that even among those cultures they were still acknowledged as male or female. Even if they were "treated" differently.

And I'll take you deleting my question about our previous question as a "no". And as an acknowledgement that you have no argument against my argument.

 

(((Sigh))). What part of “early research” is difficult? I am posting this stuff so why don’t we bypass Brandolinis law and see you answer your own question?

 

No they were considered a “third gender”

https://outrightinternational.org/m...er people,Kanaka, which means native Hawaiian.

 

1: That "early research" you're talking about was done what...20 years ago or so? I know what you're referring to. I've read it myself. The point I was making is that for the vast VAST majority of "transgenders" the only thing that is gone by is "feelings". No tests like the one you mentioned are done. Nothing to confirm transgenderism at all. Just "feelings".

2: My questions to you that you deleted. From Post 314. Very bottom.

 

A "third gender" referencing male or female. IE: Still actually considered male or female. Not "other".

And sorry, not going to bother with a website obviously designed to push an agenda for the LGBTQUIA++++ BLAHBLAHBLAH. Anything that they write is going to ignore parts and context in order to push an agenda. Not worth the reading.

 

My link was from 2022 and built on even earlier research but the consensus is far from finalised - the research will have to be repeated multiple times and undergo systematic review before it is anywhere near finalised

 

Translation please - put me on your ignore list

 

Like I said, the only thing people are going by is feelings. That don't cut it when trying to demand millions of people "respect" them.