Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

Hamas began a war they are losing. End of story.

 

The UN passed the partition resolution in 1947. The Israelis accepted it. The Arabs rejected it and began the war. So of course by 1948 Israelis were taking action to defend themselves from Arabs. Thank you for making my point.

 

When Hamas crossed over into Israel and went on a killing spree which included the beheading of infants and others in front of their loved ones and the capture of hundreds and taken back into Gaza as hostages, in my own opinion, they sealed the fate of the inhabitants of Gaza. Enough of the insults from the Arab World on the State of Israel. What is Israels sin? What has the Jew done to the Arab world that brings out so much hatred? There was a time that Jew and Arab pretty much lived side by side and got along. The land that was given to Israel after the war was not a great prize.

War crimes? In any war there will be the loss of life by innocents. Do you think the U.S. didn't kill thousands of innocents when they dropped the bombs on Japan?
Did Russia sort out only military targets if it's bombing of Ukraine? Name me one war that didn't involve the killing of innocent civilians.

I never hear from the Jew "death to all Arabs" "death to the U.S.A". I do hear that from the Arab world on a constant basis. All this outcry from the Arabs about the poor plight of the Palestinians is really very ingenious as none of the Arab states are willing to take them in as refugees. If there is a caste system in the Arab world then the Palestinian is on the bottom. When you have ***** and Sunni Arabs unable to settle their differences, I don't see much chance for peace in the middle east
between the Arab world and Jews or Christians.

 

Palestinian history is littered with foolish decisions. The most recent may be the last.
After 6 Months of War, We May Lose Palestine Completely

Raja Shehadeh, Guardian

 

Arab "rejection" was due to decades of Jewish terror including ethnic cleansing of Arab populations before the UN violated its own Charter by not calling for free elections in 1948:

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-l...IP, AND ACTIVITIES,DURING THE YEARS 1929-1949.

"DURING THIS PERIOD OF INCREASING HOSTILITIES BETWEEN ARABS AND JEWS, THE IRGUN WAS FORMED UPON THE LEADERSHIP OF VLADIMIR JABOTINSKY TO ASSUME AN OFFENSIVE TERRORIST STRATEGY AGAINST THE ARABS WITH APPARENTLY ARBITRARY VIOLENCE AGAINST ARAB POPULATIONS.

"ANOTHER UNDERGROUND JEWISH TERRORIST GROUP, LOHAMEY HERUTH ISRAEL (FIGHTERS FOR THE FREEDOM OF ISRAEL) OR LEHI, WAS FORMED UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF AVRAHAM STERN AND CAME TO BE PERCEIVED BY CONVENTIONAL EYES AS THE MOST VIOLENT AND UNRESTRAINED TERRORIST ORGANIZATION OF THE MODERN ERA."

 

By 1948 the Arabs had already started the war. Had they wanted elections they should have accepted partition in 1947.

 

How would free elections result in a minority of Jews receiving a majority of land in Mandate Palestine?

 

They would not have. That's another reason why the Arabs' choice of war was so foolish.

 

Arab armies invaded after Jews began their campaign of ethnic cleansing from areas of Palestine the UN "gave" to Arabs. If those armies had not invaded, Israel would not have found it necessary to wait until 1967 to "occupy" the rest of Palestine.

 

A founding principle of the UN is that war is ok for defense, but it is NOT OK as a means of extending ones borders.

What has been going on with Israel is that they are continuing to extend their borders by force.

In West Bank, one can look at maps that show the additions to the Wall.

The network of Wall has surrounded the lowlands where farming is profitable while ceding the highland.

That is a clear indication that defense was NEVER THEIR INTENT.

 

Israel was even warned.

The evidence points to the IDF accommodating the terrorist attack. This includes testimony of IDF troops.

Hamas states that they expected significant resistance. They say things got out of control when there was essentially zero resistance - a significant hole in their planning.

 

There's also eyewitness evidence of how the IDF sacrificed its own civilians in order to regain control on October 7th:

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

"According to Haaretz, the army was only able to restore control over Be’eri after admittedly 'shelling' the homes of Israelis who had been taken captive. 'The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri residents were killed,' the paper chronicled.

"'Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.'

"Much of the shelling in Be’eri was carried out by Israeli tank crews.

"As a reporter for the Israeli Foreign Ministry-sponsored outlet i24 noted during a visit to Be’eri, 'small and quaint homes [were] bombarded or destroyed,' and 'well-maintained lawns [were] ripped up by the tracks of an armored vehicle, perhaps a tank.'"

 

Great post.

I was aware, but didn't have the level of evidence you have shown us.

Thanks!

 

Max Blumenthal has been covering Gaza for decades.
He's one of the best informed sources I've come across on this issue:
Max spent a night under Israeli bombardment as buildings came down around him wondering if his shelter would be next.

"Blumenthal has written two books based on the periods of time he spent in Gaza and the Israeli-occupied territories in the West Bank.

"He documented what he said were Israeli and Palestinian war crimes in two books: Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel (2013) and The 51 Day War: Ruin and Resistance in Gaza (2015)

"Goliath, published by Nation Books, outlines what Blumenthal characterizes as Israel's aggressive shift to the far-right, and its crackdown on local activism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal#Goliath_(2013)

"In the preface, he writes: 'Americans' tax dollars and political support [that] are crucial in sustaining the present state of affairs' in Israel.[56]

"The book consists of 73 short chapters. Chapter titles include 'To the Slaughter', 'The Concentration Camp', 'The Night of Broken Glass', 'This Belongs to the White Man' and 'How to Kill Goyim and Influence People'".

 

Israel accepted partition in 1947, but the Arabs chose war instead. Israelis cannot be blamed for actions thereafter to defend themselves. Had the Palestinians accepted partition, they would have had a state from 1947 forward.

 

This is nonsense.

 

It is simple-minded to assume that defense must always be passive.

 

Sadly, this is not a surprise.


Hamas says it doesn't have 40 Israeli hostages needed for ceasefire
The revelation raises fears that more hostages may be dead than are publicly known.

The framework that has been laid out »

 

That some hostages haven't survived the Israeli war doesn't hit me as surprising. Tens of thousands of Palestinians haven't survived that.

But, that's not the real problem in the negotiations for a ceasefire.

Hamas proposals have been concrete steps toward the end of the war.

Israel's proposals have been for a short period of ceasefire after which Israel will continue slaughtering men, women and children in Gaza. During the ceasefire, Israel would have full rights of presence in Gaza as they build their military infrastructure there.

The Israeli offers do not have ANYTHING that Hamas would want.

 

Jews never had any intention of sharing Palestine with those they regarded as racial inferiors; they still don't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet

"In the summer of 1937, according to the official history of the Haganah, the commander of their forces in the Tel Aviv area, Elimelech Slikowitz ('Avnir') received an order from Ben-Gurion.

"Ben-Gurion, anticipating an eventual British withdrawal from the country after the Peel Report, asked Slikowitz to prepare a plan for the military conquest of the whole of Palestine.

"According to the historians Walid Khalidi and Ahmad H. Sa'di, it was this Avnir Plan which provided a blueprint for future plans.

"The blueprint was refined in subsequent adjustments (A, B, C) before emerging in its final form over a decade later as Plan Dalet

"From 1945 onward, the Haganah designed four general military plans, the implementation of the final version of which eventually led to the creation of Israel and the dispossession of the Palestinians:[13][unreliable source?][citation needed]"

 

In the last few days the story has now come out about how HAMAS was embedded in the 3 vehicle convey the IDF took down. We now know the convoy was in fact embedded with Hamas terrorists as it entered the warehouse when it was unloaded. It was only then on the way out the convoy was taken down and yes 7 innocent people died but the question remains why did they allow Hamas to embed themselves in the convoy and control the unloading? Why? Why do not one pro Hamas supporter or the media acknowledge this? Where are the clarifications and explanations now that the IDF did not act in cold blood?

Nowhere.

That silence is the same silence that from those on this thread who are silent on how Muslim extremists have slaughtered hundreds of thousands in Mauritania, Senegal, Burkina Faso, Nigeria, Central African Republic, Chad, Niger, Libya, Sudan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran to name but a few sites.

Where are these outraged accusers of genocide in regards to Russia in Ukraine, Russia in Chechnya, Russia in Central Asia, China in the Uyghur region or when Kurds, Chaldeans, Coptic Christians, other Christians, Zoroastrians, Bahaiis, gays, labour union officials, feminists have been slaughtered?

Where were these moral judges when not one Arab League nation took in a Muslim refugee from the Yugoslav war but Israel took in 20,000 Muslims. How many of these moralists are themselves claiming to be feminist and gay but applauding and supporting a movement called Hamas which believes in not only the genocide of Jews world wife but would just as soon kill off gays, feminists and every last leftist who chants sea to sea for Palestine? They chant a phrase that calls for the genocide of Jews and at the same time accuse Israel of genocide.

Here is one blatant fact. The people who accuse Israel of genocide are dupes and deflect from the fact it is Hamas who believe in the genocide of Jews not any Jew or Israeli of Palestinians.

Next let one of these moral judges tell you the names of the terror tribes in Gaza.

Gaza civilians are in fact captive civilians of specific terror cells, each with its own leader and who hate the other terror cells and other Muslims, Christians and Arabs of all the Middle East as much as they do Israelis and Jews.

This madness can not stop until these Islamic terror cells are eradicated and the people of Gaza freed from them so they are not killed as hostages and shields.

US Vet provided one of many tapes from the son of the Hamas leader. He was a child of Palestine and yet when he speaks the self proclaimed geniuses who support Hamas and can not find Palestine on a map have no clue how to answer him.

He and many people who are Palestinian I know-do not hate Jews. They will speak out for a two state peaceful solution but this can not happen as long as Muslim extremists preaching hatred of all Jews prevails in the Muslim Middle East which this man continually warns the West of and he speaks for those Muslims that had to flee the Middle East for being moderate and peaceful-people I support and they do not hate me for being Zionist anymore than I hate them for being Muslim or born in Gaza, etc.

The geniuses on this and other threads who support Hamas in fact are referring to:
Hamas - Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Al-Quds Brigades
Islamic Jihad
Popular Resistance Committees - Al-Nasser Salah ad-Din Brigades
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) - Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command (PFLP-GC) - Jihad Jibril Brigades
Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) - National Resistance Brigades
Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
Palestinian Mujahideen Movement - Mujahideen Brigades

Now I ask these Hamas cheer leaders again do any of them have any clue which of these groups is which or that each group is in fact an umbrella group of loosely joined sub cells and sub sub cells and sub sub sub cells, and every damn one of them has their own leader doing his own thing and not coordinated.

This means the IDF in fact is chasing numerous cells each with a leader and agenda and as these cells run from spot to spot hiding with civilians they are stealing the food and supplies from them.

So these same arm chair geniuses screaming Palestinians are starving where are they when these terrorist parasites steal their food?

We have all read it. No one who is on this board to piss on Israel will acknowledge Hamas or Palestinian terrorist culpability and what they have done to cause the IDF to have to come in. What they did and will continue to do to Israelis and Gaza civilians is being ignored.

Right now the IDF are in fact the only agent on the ground preventing the genocide of Palestinians by Hamas et al and ironically Hamas knows this.

The supposed outrage over genocide is A DEFLECTION FROM THE GENOCIDE OF ISRAELIS AND PALESTINIANS BY HAMAS ET AL.

 

Eadora I am responding to some of your comments in your last poist 1074744943.

To start with before you accuse me or anyone you disagree of, as repeating a broken record, understand it is you playing the same tune over and over they or I respond to. I did not initiate your broken tune, I simply respond to it.

For example you stated:

"ask YOURSELF
WHY ? . would anybody voluntarily agree to have their Land - Partitioned,
by what THEY perceived to be a clique of thuggish European Imperialists?"

Eadora that is exactly what the Zionist community did. They asked the League of Nations, how was the UK able to illegally seize 90% of the land partitioned for Israel and turn it into a Jew free Palestinian state in 1923 and to this day, people like you skip over this and ignore that fact? How is that?

Eadora, how is it after the UK and France illegally imposed Arab colonies in Algeria, (France) Morrocco, (France), Libya, (Italy, UK), Tunisia, (France), Sudan and Egypt (UK), Syria and Lebanon, (France), Iraq and Iran (Britain), Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, Yemen Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, (UK), they were all colony puppets partitioned by Britain and France?

More to the point, why do you pretend Israel was created by Uk and France. Why? Why do you repeat this false comment which is past absurd. A

Why do you pretend British, French and ex Nazi military officers who fled to Iraq, Egypt and Syria post WW2 led a war of these colonial puppet nationsin 1948 to kill off the Jews in Palestine and then when they failed ethnically cleansed 900,000 Jews from their countries? Why?

You Eadora are aware-pre 1967 Israel was less then 8% of the land originally partitioned for a Jewish state. So answer your question-why did these "thugs" in Britain, France partition up the Middle East as they did?

Next Eadora you made this blatantly false statement in the form of a rhetorical question again playing your broken record denial of history:

" With the better half of that Land, to be given out right, to a tight, insular
group of European Colonial Immigrants WHO were a persecuted minority
.............................. and the Victims of a recent European GENOCIDAL War"

Why do you falsely repeat something that never happened and engaged in anti semitic tropes? The description of Jews being colonial immigrants is false. They were refugees not immigrants who fled to the Middle East. Next why do you refer to Jews as tight and insular. That is a false stereotype. No we were not klanish or right and insular. That is an anti semitic trope no different than saying we all have hook noses. I am tired Eadora of you throwing in such crap. Stop it. Jews in Europe spoke different languages, ranged in sects of Jewish belief from humanist atheist to reform to conservative to orthodox to ultra orthodox. The clothes we wore, the food we ate, our art, our languages and our Yiddish was a mix not uniform ever.

Next, 90%, not half (50%) of Palestinian was turned into the Palestinian Jewish free state of Jordan in 1923 and it to this day is referred to as a Palestinian state and has a constitution prohibiting Jewish citizens.

More to the point and you really show your deliberate ignorance, none of so called Palestine (where Israel, Jordan or the Wewst Bank) are was better or worse. In fact most of where pre 1967 Israel is was desert or swamp it wasn't any better. In fact it was much smaller than 50% of Palestine and yes it become inhabitable not because it was found that way but because of farming practices Israelis implemented.

You said or I guess prayed this:

" Pray Tell
What part of the concepts of RIGHT & WRONG is it that YOU so obviously
fail to understand ?- Do YOU not realize that in Moral Human Company
it is considered a reprehensible and EVIL Injustice to cease another's Land
..... and then to make of THEM a third class in the Apartheid State that YOU
.............................................................................................. then have to establish ?"

What pray tell causes you to deliberately ignore the actual history of the creation of Jordan and Israel and most importantly ignore the following....

1. the Israeli state does not have a constitution that says Muslims can not be citizens-in fact every one of the 14 Muslim states does;

2.these Islamic states practice apartheid through their Sharia Muslim Laws that define Jews as dhimmi-forcing them to live in separated neighbourhoods and deeming them inferiors who can not be trusted to tell the truth so they can not deal with a Muslim directly or make an oath in court and must keep their homes and synagogues smaller than Muslim ones, not gather or pray in public or own land;

3.while you ignore the above apartheid are well aware 30% of the people in Israel are not necessarily Jewish and in fact Muslims, Christians have separate religious courts for family and property law, have full access to all services Jews do including voting in Knesset members-freedom of speech, voting, owning land, having Arabic defined as an official language of the courts, having local and a Supreme Court Judge, their own human rights groups, radio, television and media outlets while not one Jew has this in a Muslim country-
so ask the question you asked of me Eadora-how do you accuse Israel of apartheid when it affords its Muslim citizens every single right no Jew is allowed in the Muslim countries of the Middle East? Go on Eadora before you ask me ask yourself-why do you engage in such blatant deflection?

Again Eadora you asked me in the form of another rhetorical question:

"What part of the concepts of .RIGHT & WRONG . so escapes YOU that YOU
would offer to us here, Absurd Justifications, Rationalization & Apology
.............................. to the GENOCIDAL Atrocities now taking place in Gaza ?"

What I have stated and anyone can read it-is that I have stated you in fact REFUSE to acknowledge Hamas initiated this war by engaging in terror acts against children and women that mutilated them and sexually violated them. Why do you remain silent on what Hamas did and its other terror cells supporters did? Why? Why do you then deflect from what it did based on its covenant which calls for the genocide of Jews worldwide? Why do you ignore each day it pledges this genocide, is clear and up front it will keep repeating this genocide as soon as it has enough weapons to attack again? Why do you ignore it admits it deliberately places its citizens in harm's way as shields to die as martyrs? Why?

Why do you then suggest Israel engages in genocide, i.e., is morally equivalent to Hamas and has a mandate to kill Palestinian civilians simply because they are Palestinian? Where is your evidence of deliberate intent? Mine for Hamas is its own statements and charter. You? Your sole basis for your allegation of genocide is that Palestinians have died. You don't care about the definition and in fact make a mockery of it.

Why? Why do you accuse me of supporting and approving genocide?

Why? Tell me Eadora do you ever answer anyone's questions? I have never had you once directly respond to any point I have made with a counter point. What you have done is ignore me and simply repeat your opinions with no evidence.

Where is your evidence of deliberate intent by the IDF? You have none. What you do is in fact infer that because Palestinians die the death itself makes it genocide.

No Eadora the law does not work that way but it sure as hell is a pathetic and transparent attempt to deflect from the genocide of Hamas.

As for me Eadora if you want to ask me a question genuinely ask. Do not pose an accusation as to what I said posed as a rhetorical question-that is passive aggressive and its dishonest.

My posts are as clear as can be. I deplore that even one Palestinian civilian has had to die no different than I do Israelis. Neither is acceptable but what Hamas did was deliberate and of genocidal intent-what the IDF does is as a tragic result of Hamas using its people as shields to die which Hamas openly states it does with intent.

Do not twist my views Eadora. Do not accuse me of applauding genocide. I argue there is no moral equivalency between what the IDF and Hamas does or has done.

I have never argued I want all Palestinians exterminated. Stop it Eadora.

Trying to deflect from Hamas and turn me into a genocide supporter is an attempt at demonizing me. Its silly.

One last thing Eadora you said:

"For
what is taking place in Gaza is recognized - in any Moral Human Company
as Theft, Murder and Brutality and is DECIDEDLY perceived to be WRONG

And then to blame the Victim for the Calamity that is forced upon them.
..................................................................... How in HELL do YOU Stomach IT ? "


Eadora I have never come on this board or any board and blamed any innocent Palestinians for their deaths, suffering. Never. Not one such phrase exists. Next, I again hold the mirror back in your face and ask you back your question-why do you blame the IDF who have a moral responsibility to defend the existence of their people from genocide as being genocidal for going after Hamas?

How the hell do you keep defending Hamas and hating Israelis for being Israeli for so many years on this board?

This is not a calamity. That is a word you use. Its a frilly world. In my world where I put mutilated parts in bags and was spit at words like "calamity" are kindergarten book words.

In my world Eadora, and I have said it many times-Palestinians and Israelis suffer equally while people like you try demonize the IDF and apologize for Hamas.

Those IDF now in Gaza you do not know. You live in a world where your agenda is to demonize them to deflect from Hamas.

If any IDF soldier engages in excess force and it leads to injury or death of course they need to be held accountable. I have repeated that over and over no differently than you repeat over and over a deafening silence as to what Hamas does.

Eadora just once stop posing phony rhetorical questions and state-if terrorists had an agenda to wipe you out simply because you have autism or are white and have an express charter to do so, do you have a right to defend yourself? Well? In your world Palestinians have the right to engage in terrorism to defend themselves but Israelis are to sit back and die and not defend themselves because there crime is they live in a non Muslim state that they have always lived in for over 4,000 years.

In your world Jews have no rights to exist.

Guess what. We do and will.

 

Bombing civilians, denying food, water to the point where people are starving...

What do YOU think is required to qualify as genocide?

Is there some box that Israel hasn't ticked?

 

Hamas could end the war today by surrender.