Why Trump should win his NY hush money trial

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  1. popscott

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    The obvious…

    Federal Election Campaign Act and Bragg is a state prosecutor
     
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    I know that the test is NOT what account the payments is drawn from, but rather the purpose of the payment. Otherwise, anyone could evade campaign finance violations by using a different account.
     
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    It was a loan… works for “others.”
     
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    I am unaware of Hunter Biden holding, having ever held, or running for any office, but if goobers Comer, Jordan et al had not been spreading Russian propaganda, but had been able to contrive any charges against the President, his guilt or innocence would also be decided by a jury of his peers - even if he, whined, flailed a victim card. and lashed out at officers of the court and their families.
     
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    I don't think he missed it. I'm sure he is well aware of the elements of the case.
     
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    Fornicating with a porn star and a playboy playmate just after your newly wed wife gave birth, then Defrauding the electorate then trying to cover it up by lying to the government isn't 'acting respectably'.

    The person who is terrified is Donald Trump. The sound of prison bars clanking behind his orange gluteus maximus is probably causing him to have a bowl movement involuntarily in his diapers.

    At least it will serve to diminish the possibility of being raped. Though one cannot be assured 100%.
     
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    What political nature?

    Garland is a centrist.

    Smith is an independent.

    Garland has defended Trump twice in court, and prosecuted a number of democrats.

    There is plenty of evidence against Trump.

    Biden has nothing to do with the DOJ's prosecutorial decisions.

    Nor do you have any evidence of your allegation of 'politics'.

    Now, Bragg is a democrat, but this idea that he would accuse a former US president, which represents a historical first, bringing world attention upon him, which, if he loses, could ruin his career, could bring the wrath of Trump supporters upon his person, this idea that he would go through all of that, without a ton of evidence convincing him he has a strong chance of convincing a jury beyond a reasonable doubt, this idea that he would go through all of that defies credulity.

    Feel free to prove me wrong, but you'd better do better than your 'suspicion'.

    From where I sit, the only folks who are being 'political' are Trump and republicans accusing the justice system of being political, because doing so riles up their base, who, in turn, exact their wrath upon judges, clarks, DA's etc which is Trump's purpose, to intimidate and garner public support, all in order to forward a political agenda.

    No, repubs are the ones being political, not Bragg, Smith, Engoron, Marchan, Chutkin, etc.
     
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    Proof requires an acceptance of common sense, something not used in politics. In short. Trump is accused of mishandling accounting for payments made to keep people quiet. If true that is a federal election misdemeanor which has already passed its statute of limitations. What we see today is a local DA attempting to resurrect a misdemeanor he can no longer prosecute by attempting to turn it into a list of felonies by suggesting that he defrauded the public by using campaign funds to make the payments. Remember a local DA is working with a federal crime for which he has no jursidiction. Add to that the fact that the DOJ declined to prosecute because they didn't see anything meaningfully criminal in it and allowed the statute of limitations to expire. The alleged crime has no victim, a popular characteristic of political prosecutions. So what is the purpose of bringing the prosecution in the first place? Use your common sense. My common sense says the purpose is to smear Trump in an effort to hurt his political campaign. It is being used as a weapon against a political opponent. You can do your own analysis since you disagree with mine. I reject your position. I think political prosecution is dangerous.
     
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    So what's your point, there are no felons out there who tried to turnover turn an election by any means legal or otherwise.
     
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    Are you relieved to have one as a District Attorney who can bring charges against just about anybody on ****** indictments?

    Have you determine what is this other felony Bragg has convicted Trump of in order to being a felony charge here?
     
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    That didn't make any sense.
     
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    Another heap big problem. It also shows you what a corrupt pile of crap Judge Tweezed Eyebrows is for letting a State Prosecutor try to enforce a Federal law, when Federal Prosecutors thoroughly investigated this and determined that the payments were NOT a campaign finance issue. That is, if Trump had tried to use campaign finance funds for the Story payment, that would have violated campaign finance laws.

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    It's a reality show farce with a corrupt prosecutor, and crooked judge in a kangaroo court, which is why the outcome will not be taken seriously. It's selective prosecution and a put up job. If Trump's last name was Obama, Clinton, or Biden, this wouldn't be going to trial, this wouldn't be an issue.
     
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    They RAN FOR OFFICE pledging to go after private citizen Trump. And the voters in their election voted the in to do so. These trials should never have occurred and should NOT be occurring where they are the entire voter bases being highly biased against him.

    I have heard his defense gets unlimited challenges based on biases.
     
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    It makes perfect sense but I took the effort to run it through a grammar checker which made a minor correction so try again and added a descriptive to insure you were not confused this time.

    Are you relieved to have one, a ****** lawyer, as a District Attorney who can bring charges against just about anybody on ****** indictments?


    Have you determined what this other felony Brag has convicted Trump of in order to be a felony charge here?
     
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    You don't know that fact?

    Do you know anything about the facts here?
     
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    Did they charge Trump or the campaign with a campaign finance violation?

    Do you know anything about this case. People are posting long known history and facts here and all you do is demand links. Try going and looking up for yourself and learning what is going on here.
     
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    THEY KNOW FULL WELL...............have you not bother to listen to his lawyers in the interviews and statements they have given?

    Do you know ANYTHING about this trial?
     
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    Calm down.
     
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    Go read and learn I am quite content.
     
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    Read what? I’ve read about this case, the Senate’s report on Russian interference, the Mueller report and the Hur report.

    You seem very worked up, not content.
     
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    Obviously by your inane demands that the facts of the story be posted you have not read about this case and do not know the basic facts. Quite content after a great lunch and my bestest buddy laying right here, the caps are for word EMPHASIS since you seem to MISS them.
     
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    Quite calm, learn about something before you jump in on it.
     
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    Of course not. It would have been illegal for Trump to use campaign funds for the non disclosure agreement.

    That is what a farce this entire Court Scam is.

    Even CNN's Legal Analyst Destroys Bragg's Case Against Trump for its 'Weakness'.

    "Weakness" is too kind. It's a vile attempt by a bunch of crooks to rig the election.

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    Front Runner In The Presidential Race.

    'paying hush money isn't even illegal.'

    'Honig writes in New York Magazine. "The crime is a paperwork offense relating to how Trump and his businesses logged a series of perfectly legal (if unseemly) hush-money payments in their own internal records."'

    'The prosecution’s star witness is a convicted perjurer and fraudster who openly spews vitriol at the defendant, often in grotesque terms, essentially for a living.'

    'The famously aggressive feds at the Southern District of New York passed on the case years ago, and current Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg’s predecessor could have indicted [Trump] before he left office but did not.'

    They wanted to keep Trump off the campaign trail, but it's turned into reality TV with an obviously corrupt prosecutor and judge trying to fix a presidential race, and in the process bringing great dishonor to our entire judicial system.

    Honig is a legal analyst for CNN:

    "Paying hush money is not a crime," Honig admits. "In fact, a hush-money agreement is legally no different from any other contract between private parties. So Trump knowing about the Daniels payoff — and he clearly did — is merely a starting point here and insufficient to prove anything criminal."

    'The charged New York State crime here is falsification of business records. The DA alleges Trump had the hush-money payments fraudulently recorded in his internal books as “legal expenses” rather than as “hush money to porn star”.'

    'If proved, that’s merely a misdemeanor, a low-level crime virtually certain to result in a non-prison sentence. For comparison, under the New York code, falsification of business records has the same technical designation as shoplifting less than $1,000 of goods.'

    'Honig has taken the same position as Jonathan Turley, who calls the case against Trump an "indictment of the New York legal system."'

    https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2...ernal&utm_content=1213539023&utm_term=1532205

    Read the whole thing.

    And ponder why it is that folks on the Left that post here are expressing amazement, apparently they were unaware that the case was complete garbage, even though we have been telling them this for a year.
     
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    "Now Bragg is bringing a case that has taken years to develop and millions of dollars in litigation costs for all parties," explains Turley. "That is all over a crime from before the 2016 election that is a misdemeanor under state law that had already expired under the statute of limitations."

    'On top of that, Hillary Clinton essentially did the same thing and was never charged.'

    She paid for the development of the fake dossier and listed it as "legal fees" rather than "Fake dossier to support illegal spying by the FBI on political opponent."
     
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