Eric Trump Mocked Over Brazenly False Claim About His Father In New York

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can agree with part of this. Most people's role in shifting the trajectory of society is small. Collectively, this is still very important; it's like parents raising strong solid kids with the kind of values that make a society
    work. This is like building society, one person at a time. They all matter, but they get no publicity. I see every good citizen as a kind of leader or hero- not imposing, but setting the examples for others. We need more who do that.

    Of those few who truly do make things happen- what is unfortunate is that those people with smaller roles, usually think that the people in positions of great responsibility should not be different. Fact is that the ordinary person is often critical of the successful, the standouts- and tends to think some kind of injustice has taken place, or they too would be rich or famous or influential. This is a kind of human weakness that politicians use constantly. For example, the idea frequently promoted that the rich don't pay their fair share, even though the statistics from the government show the opposite. Politicians play on these instinctive reactions, promoting the idea that something else is evil, but I will fix it so vote for me. It distracts people from truth, helps corruption hide. Sadly, many of us are gullible enough to buy that.

    Trump hasn't left a scar at all. He's stirred the pot, and brought a lot of hidden ugliness to the surface- things already there, but concealed by the corruption that benefited from it. Because he is business minded rather than a career politician, he sees the end result as far more important than the momentary whims of the public. In so doing- he offends the short-sighted people, but earns the support of those with more concern for the future. He also scares hell out of the corrupt, because they do not know how to play the game any other way.

    Politicians today are not just asking for more and more money in taxes from you- they are taxing your yet unborn descendants, running up a debt at an astounding pace that will without question destroy the nation.
    A percentage of Americans see this, and they are mostly conservatives, mostly older. Others do not... and that is a huge mistake, because tomorrow is always just around the corner- and it will be shaped by what we do today. Trump knows that; conservatives know that. They know that to have a great team or great society, you have to have great people- and you can't buy that, you can't gift it to people, you have to build it. .
    Trump's impact is exactly what America needs today. Granted he has flaws, but you may have noticed that the big complaints all have nothing to do with the job he did... they are all personal attacks, and like it or not- motivated mostly because he threatens the established corruption in government, and secondly because he had major financial assets. This has brought out the worst of our politicians, who will use any means to win, because they have no moral compass at all.

    IF there were another person who could do the job that needs doing, a lot of Trump supporters would welcome that, just to block the mud-slinging of the left. That would require household name identity, and there just is no one else at this time. Anyone is free to choose- but slander is manipulation attempting to impose a choice on others. You may not like what Trump says- but I think a wise person will prefer an uncomfortable truth to comfortable lie. Question is- who is wise enough to know the difference.
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    I like this part. It's a good perspective.

    I think this part is inaccurate. Jealousy happens, but generally wanting higher taxes for the rich isn't about jealousy, it's about a perception of what fairness and optimal policy looks like and does. Some people think the market determines what is fair and optimal on its own with minimal intervention. If a person is able to accumulate wealth and power, it could be due to a variable combination of merit, hard work, and luck. Does being so skilled at basketball that millions want to watch you mean you should live like a king while people who work hard but lack talent barely get by? Isn't it possible to still get some benefit from extra talent/hard work, but not quite so extravagent while others get what they need? A rich person's millionth dollar for the year gets them far less than it does for a poor person. Optimal policy rewards talent/innovation and hard work, but that doesn't mean taxation shouldn't be progressive. How progressive? We don't want to stifle innovation or cause wealthy people to move elsewhere on the one hand. But we don't need them to keep every dollar while others starve or go without healthcare either.

    Trump is much simpler than that. He is a narcissist and found that the group who would give him the adoration he craves are conservatives. This is also a response to his desire to undo everything Obama did because Obama embarrassed him at the Correspondent's Dinner, in response to Trump's racist-fueled promotion of birtherism. He is remarkably ignorant and emotionally reactive.

    Republicans are not more responsible with debt than democrats. Both run up bills. Democrats make more effort to pay the bills by raising taxes. National debt growth by president U.S. 2023 | Statista

    Trump talking about corruption is all talk, at best. Increased corruption in government is caused mostly by conservative policy/decisions such as Citizens United. Liberals hate Trump for both personal and policy reasons. The personal reasons do matter more for a president than other politicians though. Congress can draft legislation, the president needs decorum and respect to navigate dealing with friends and allies. Trump cozied up to leaders mostly based upon how nice they were to him personally, not whether their national interest and actions were aligned with our national interests. He also slashed much of the government's ability to deal with things, particularly at the state department.

    Policywise he's just a fairly extreme contrast from what liberals want. He has been destructive for controlling climate change, promoting access to healthcare (especially abortion). Him not starting any wars can be seen as a plus, but at the same time he unravels deals to promote peace (with Iran, e.g.), destabilizes trade with China, gave terrible mixed messages on covid, and shows a clear desire to abandon allies. He also followed policy priorities of white nationalists by limiting legal immigration. Any conservative president will be destructive from the perspective of liberal policy goals, though.

    I think your perspective on Trump is a bit warped due to the strong desire to implement conservative policy.
     
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    Oh yea we all saw the photo's in the closet, you know the locked closet with secret service protection. Ofcourse that's not what you said, now compare to the photos taken from Biden's house and tell us again which one's were safer. Ridiculous.
     
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    A bathroom is not a "locked closet." Documents next to a copier are not a "locked closet." Documents in an auditorium are not in a "locked closet." Your entire position, as with all Trumpist positions at this point, is just to beg a plead for everyone else to pretend that reality does not exist because reality offends the Trumpist agenda. Yes. Ridiculous, indeed. Feel free to return to reality. Trumpists will not. They cannot.
     
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    Cool show us the copier/fax machine photos, or you changing your story?
     
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    Sure thing. Just tell me how you think this is okay and we can go on from there, but I seem to see you already retreating in to the distance
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    Yes we can go back and forth on pictures and maybe then you'll get why America is over it. Biden did it, Trump did it, Obama did it and they made his warehouse a PRA facility. And before that they all did it because it wasn't a big deal.

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    Your view of Trump sound typical of the democrat narrative. Yes, Trump has flaws- but he also has strengths far beyond what we have had in office before, or now. Strengths the nation needs, and the kind of vision that allows an entrepreneur to stay the course and win the prize. As for the flaws.... Unlike the Democrats, he doesn't hide who he is. He calls it as he sees it, unlike those who check the wind and then tell you what you want to hear. The following he's got didn't happen by accident. A lot of people are looking for sound judgment rather than feel-good BS, and that is why Trump, despite the incredible 3rd-world political attacks on him- leads the race today.

    It's unfortunately quite simple. The current mindset and trajectory of the democratic party- will destroy the nation. This isn't even debatable to a rational person, it's like speeding towards a cliff and ignoring the risk. We can't wait to see if that happens, because if it does- everyone loses everything. Experience, particularly being responsible for what you do and having to deal with the consequences- teaches you to be prudent with finances, industrious in your efforts, careful in your planning- and to always remember that the decisions you make today shape tomorrow- and if you lost sight of that, there will not be a better tomorrow.

    Something major to consider too is- division. When people are divided, corruption has no constraint. The corrupt will promote division, for that reason- it protects them. My first loyalty is to the nation, not a candidate or party. I've voted for many democrats years back, because they were the best men for the job. Today, there are none like that. The democratic party has left the people it represented years ago, and became something far less. Both parties have deteriorated, but the right and conservatives are much more in favor of a strong and honorable nation. That means a better country for all, and a better future for those who follow us- and we owe them that.
     
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    You have gone of the deep end a bit. A fraudulent charity is one than spends little to none of its revenue on its stated charitable activity. A perfect example is the Clinton foundation that spends around 10% of revenue where it should. Trump didn't get rich from a charity. The "university" was not a fraud. It was a failure. It was intended to be a money making enterprise and it was not. His real estate business is not a fraud in any way. My entrepreneurial activities produced a few failures as well and I defrauded nobody. I don't think Trump defrauded anybody either. Nor did he bat .1000.
     

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