BMW Ends ICE Production in Germany! Mercedes?

That's meaningless given that you can't even identify what you think I'm denying.

 

From your #798:

". . . . there are strong reasons to discount the claims in this article. . . . "

 

https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/automotive-sales-in-germany-by-month

I think this is easily explained by the end of ev subsidies in Germany this year.

March sales were a significant recovery.

The fact that your article dodges issues such as this while waving the red flag of possible drastic government acts is a clear demonstration of your screed being no more than a big oil style attack on EVs.

But keep trying!

 

Politico seems pretty credible.
". . . . Germany’s federal minister of transportation, Dr. Volker Wissing, is threatening to ban driving on weekends by motorists in order othe country “to meet climate goals set forth by the Climate Protection Act.”

“A reduction in traffic to help meet the climate goals would only be possible through measures that are difficult to communicate to the public, such as ‘comprehensive and indefinite driving bans on Saturdays and Sundays,’ Wissing added,” so reports Politico here. . . . "

 

OK, but that doesn't have anything to do with EVs.

And, it is no more than a threat concerning what he might try to do in the future - something I believe he could not possibly accomplish.

By the way, studies show that CA, especially in LA have improved air quality due to the current level of electric transportation.

 

You are again retreating to denial.

 

What do you think I've denied?

 

The threat of coercion to push EV's on unwilling motorists.

 

I don't see any plan - just a threat that is very obviously not thought out AT ALL.

My bet is that he is expressing frustration.

He did decide to drastically cut subsidies for EVs, so he can measure how that affected sales - useful data, perhaps.

Obviously, EV sales are picking back up in Germany. Also, EVs are dropping in price due to improvements in manufacturing and the steady drop in battery prices.

I suspect Germany doesn't want to lose its automobile manufacturing industry, and they really are not making any competitive EVs.

Those manufacturers don't want EVs eating their market share, so they cut subsidies, leaving Germany slower to transition.

That is frustrating, even if there are no other issues. But, there are other issues. Lower cost, good quality EVs from China are backing up the port space all over Europe, for example. And, Europe is struggling to find a solution.

 

There is no evidence for that.

 

Don't know about Germany, but here in the States the plan in progress is to effectively ban ICE engines and fossil fuels entirely.

I'm sure Germany has developed similar fascist measures to force the change. As far as I know it's a part of agreeing to the Paris Accords.

 

You can still drive your ICE truck or car after 2035, or whatever.

The Paris Accord and various derivatives allow individual countries to set their own goals and then work to meet them in the way they find most effective.

 

Of course there is.

German car sales aren't somehow restricted from view.

 

There's no evidence of a trend like your QUACK publication portends.

 

Right. It's just new ICE vehicles that are banned. Automakers will be forced in this country to build vehicles nobody wants and will not be allowed to build vehicles most people actually want.

The recipe for government driven economic collapse.

 

Nope. Sales are still stalled.

 

The data are the data. I cite the data; you insult the messengers.

 

If you'd quit citing QUACK sources, I wouldn't have to insult the messenger.

 

The "messengers" you chose deserve to be insulted.

YOU want to blame the dip in sales on people no longer liking EVs, or whatever.

You should remember that cost of EVs has been an issue, and Germany cut subsidies - essentially raising the price of EVs.

Germany might be an actual test case concerning price sensitivity.

But, one needs to wait for this to play out a little longer, as there are other factors in Germany's car market.

https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/automotive-sales-in-germany-by-month

EV sales in Germany are NOT dying.

 

Insults and denial seem to be the full range of your responses. Try some data.

 

Your faith is touching.

 

Good graph showing the NON-decline of EV sales in Germany, showing that your first sentence rings OH-SO-TRUE - the DENIER sources are pathetic.

 

The graph is for all vehicle types, with EV's faring the worst: 28.9% decline year over year "with no signs of a recovery."

 

Again this is cherry- picking. Look at the 1st quarter of the last 3 years, compared to the 3 previous years. EVs way up. Look at January 2023 - down from the year before, but then look at August - almost double. January 2024 was way up on Jan 2023. Sales are always up and down on a short term basis, but the overall trend is up-up-up!

 

The point was that car sales had been flat.

As for market share, getting a good read on EV sales is still not easy as there are a lot of poorly performing models and Tesla is notoriously difficult to get, as they don't report the way that others do.

The main issue noted by analysts is that the abrupt end to subsidies for buyers sent the market reeling.

I think what we know from this is that some number of thousands of dollars added to price will make a volume difference.