With no way out of a worsening war, Zelensky’s options look bad or worse

"porky pie"

I guess that's a common South Dakota idiom!

 

Actually...no...another poster used it here...so I "borrowed" it.

Fits you perfectly I see.

We've got different insults here....

 

Even if Ukraine loses, supporting them was still the right thing to do.

 

I suppose you feel the same way regarding helping the Israeli Genocide was the "right" thing to do.

Showing pride and support for slaughtering humans seems to be your strong suit.

 

No, I oppose support for Israel. My position isn't very unusual. Russia is the one trying to destroy another people, much like Israel but with even less justification.

 

The US, along with NATO, is trying to destroy Russia, and has been for decades. Did you know they speak dialects of Russian in Ukraine?

The German nazis took over Ukraine in WWII, and with the Bandera fans still there, Kiev has become the new lair for the wicked bastards. Russia has the high moral ground, while the US and NATO (and Israel) are the belligerent parties, paid for by US tax dollars, subsequently laundered in part through the Biden/Burisma connection. It's not pretty unless one benefits from money laundering.

 

Yes, Russian is spoken in Ukraine. English was also spoken in the American colonies. Russia has a long history, even before WW2, of subjugating and abusing Ukraine. Ukraine wasn't a threat to Russia proper, Russia has simply been coveting Ukraine for a long time. Russia is clearly the villain of this story. It's actually unusual for there to be such a villain in real life, but here it is not at all a complicated matter of faults on both sides. The Nazi thing is the most ridiculous excuse imaginable, and wouldn't suffice as an excuse even if it were true.

 

vis: Your English isn't perfect but it is certainly good enough, easy to understand and makes good sense. It's 10/10.

 

Ukraine is the hammer the US Neocons have been using to harm Russia.

 

The Russian Federation gained independence from the USSR before the Ukraine did.

The Nazi thing is documented and evident, the Banderas had a decisive hand in preventing
the peace treaty of Apr 1 2022 from being implemented, if the US and therefore the UK had
agreed to the peace treaty then it would have worked, but I understand the UK provides
Zelenskyy's body guard and is therefore a significant factor.

The situation is similar in the US where the Neocons have subverted the entire country by
controlling the Biden Administration. I've had a lot of contact with the public and most of them,
although gullible, would not have chosen to go to war against Russia or any other country
except 'a Muslim' country, and only then because there has been so much anti Muslim stuff
in the media. Most of them don't know crap about countries with a large Islamic population,
though they think they do.

 

All irrelevant to Russia invading Ukraine, or picking its favorite piece off of it in 2014. Ukraine has a long history of being abused by Russian/Soviet aggression. There was the Holdomor, and even before.

 

Oh yeah, the holodomor....fake news perpetuated by the West. Did you know that "the ukraine's" food supply was governed by a ukrainian jew during this so-called holodomor? Or that during 1932-33, the entire Donbas area including many parts of southern Russia were drought stricken? During those same years we had the 'dust bowls' in the US.

ukraine didn't exist before 1991.

 

As an independent country, sure. Russia finally lacked the strength to keep its boot on their necks for a moment. In medieval times they were the Kievan Rus, later the Cossack Hetantate. It was a sort of border between major powers in the area, and so developed a unique identity but were subjugated by greater powers, including but not limited to Russia.

Holodomor was due to punitive policy against the Ukrainian area. Soviets were going to starve, either way, but Stalin ensured it was worse in that area. This was on purpose as the region had been rebellious.

 

Stalin was Georgian. Get a clue. Stalin wasn't in charge of distribution in ukraine, a ukrainian jew was.

By the way, did you know that Russia paid all of "the ukraine's" debts incurred during the Soviet Union? They did this after the Soviet Union collapsed. Seems if they were so ****ing independent they would have paid all of their bills.

 

Um, so what? Stalin was the leader of the soviet union.

"
The Holodomor
Ukraine, with its history of resistance to the Soviet rule, was a threat to the Soviet regime. Fearing that opposition to his policies in Ukraine could intensify and possibly lead to Ukraine's secession from the Soviet Union, Stalin set unrealistically high grain procurement quotas. Those quotas were accompanied by other Draconian measures intended to wipe out a significant part of the Ukrainian nation.
" Holodomor | Holocaust and Genocide Studies | College of Liberal Arts (umn.edu)

 

And your proof this comment if yours is what "Bill".

Sounds like someone's a little chafed by this comment....any reasons why..."Bill".

Fact is..."Bill" there is/was many eyewitness accounts of the Holofomor....kinda hard to deny the events from back in the day.

Pick up a history book....learn.

 

Spare me the western bovine excrement propaganda.

"the ukraine" wasn't a threat....this was 16 years after it was re-named "the ukraine" from its former - Russia. There was no "ukrainian nation".

Furthermore, more Russians died outside of "the ukraine" than the so-called ukrainians (who were mostly ethnic Russian) because of the drought-caused famine.

And did you even know that Stalin's wife and family was 'ukrainian'? No, no you didn't.

 

Who cares? Even a Russia loving bottom feader such as you would admit that Ukraine has been very poorly treated by the Russians

 

And of course....no links/sources as usual from the Potemkin "gallery"?....here to back this up...."Bill"?