Why Trump should win his NY hush money trial

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  1. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    Wrong. If it's made for the purpose of influencing the election, and it's not disclosed, it's a campaign finance violation. Sheesh.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not it isn't.
    Clear deception is fraud. There is no clinical proof Biden has dementia, other than normal aging.
    Bragg will have to prove Donald Trump used Michael Cohen as a conduit to pay Stormy Daniels hush money, and the payments to Cohen were disguised as reimbursements, and, noting that there is, in my opinion, clear evidence in this regard, (substantiated by documents, testimony, Trump tweets) then several federal laws which are felonies could potentially have been violated.

    These include:

    1. Campaign Finance Violations: The central issue might be whether the payment constituted an unreported campaign expense. Federal law requires the disclosure of payments that are made for the purpose of influencing an election. If the hush money was intended to influence the election by suppressing damaging information, failing to report it could be a violation of federal campaign finance laws.

    2. False Statements: If any false statements were made to the Federal Election Commission (FEC) regarding these payments, those involved could be charged under laws against providing false information to the government.

    3. Money Laundering: If the payments to Cohen were structured in a way to conceal their origin, source, and purpose, it might be considered money laundering. Money laundering involves disguising financial assets so they can be used without detection of the illegal activity that produced them.

    4. Tax Evasion: If the reimbursement payments to Cohen were not properly reported to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) as income, this could constitute tax evasion.

    5. Conspiracy: If two or more persons conspired to commit any of the above offenses, they could be charged with conspiracy to commit those crimes.

    6. Bank Fraud: If any financial institutions were misled about the nature of the payments to Cohen (for example, if Cohen took out a home equity line of credit to make the payment and did not disclose the true purpose of the loan), those involved could potentially face charges of bank fraud.
    Each of these charges would depend heavily on the specific facts of the case, including the intent of the parties involved and how the transactions were conducted and recorded. Legal proceedings or investigations would typically aim to uncover detailed evidence to support any of these charges.

    In this tweet, Trump calls Cohen a 'rat'. A 'rat', as used by mafia and Trump, is someone who spilled the beans on criminal conduct. This tweet goes to 'consciousness of guilt'. More corroboration by testimony and documents support the charge.

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    Your comment is completely devoid of facts.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but in this case justice has nothing to do with any of the Trump trials. None of them are anything more than the most blatant attempt at election interference since the country was founded. The charges and I have read them are patently ridiculous.
     
  4. yardmeat

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    The charges are solid. The only excuses we are hearing are based entirely on feelings.
     
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    There's not
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Feelings don't matter here. And feelings are all your side is offering.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    prosecution for something that isn't a crime does equal corruption
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Nope feelings, mainly fear on the part of the various upper level inhabitants of the administrative state and its spy apparatus, are the only reason these spurious charges exist. That and raw naked hatred for a man who has question both their intellect and their solutions to almost every thing at one time or the other.
     
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    Yes. We've heard the excuses. There's a reason you guys just copy/paste this conspiratorial vomit instead of being willing to discuss any of the details of any of the cases.
     
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    I don't copy and paste unless I'm citing something which I rarely do these are my honest opinion based on what I have seen and read unless I cite a third party in the body of my statement.
     
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    Nonsense. You me and Trump may spend our own money in any legal way we see fit whether we are running for election or not. NDA's are legal and paying a lawyer even a lowlife like Cohen to handle it for you isn't illegal. This is the most absurd of the absurd charges against trump. Gary Hart got in trouble for using actual campaign funds rather than his own money to pay off his mistress and the jury basically told the government to take their case and go pound sand.
     
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    Feelings, nothing more than feelings!
    Trying to forget his
    Feelings of Trump
    Teardrops, rolling down on his face….

    Sorry, Trumpers, it’s a solid case with sound reasoning. You have nothing but feelings. Read the federal court ruling on the attempt to remove the matter to federal court.
     
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    He's not a felon, if he gets a fair jury will never be convicted of a felony nor did he commit insurrection, never even charged with that one AT ALL, or unlawfully overturning an election or the distruption of anything which it sounds like from the hearing today is likely to be thrown out against those who were charged with it your attempts to paint him as already convicted notwithstanding. You don't get to declare someone as good as convicted therefore guilty of your whim. In fact the cases are falling apart on the evidence and bogus applications of the law.

    And I was convinced years ago that the person personal life was none of our business no matter how sordid it might be. That that should not be a concern. Has the Dem/Left/MSM and you had a come to Jesus ephany or something and it DOES matter now?
     
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    As solid as a fishing net your desires and feeling to the contrary not with standing.
     
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  16. Nemesis

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    The person’s statement was technically true. Trump paid stormy off because it would be bad for his campaign if the story go out. So his payment of that settlement is an undisclosed contribution to his campaign. Whether that ought to be a criminal charge is a fair question. But let’s not deny that there was a campaign financier violation here.
     
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    Make that case. Just brainlessly demanding it doesn't constituted argument.
     
  19. Nemesis

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    I cited a court order. In sharp contrast, you mused about your own personal feelings. Hmm. I win.
     
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    proving absolutely nothing.
    And now you're making up feelings and applying them to me because you fail.

    Pathetic.
     
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    Those of us living on planet earth understand what he said. Feel free to join us one day.
     
  23. Nemesis

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    This thread has been fun! I learned that feelings are a better indicator of the law than a court decision.
     
  24. Nemesis

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    Oh no! I have been defeated! I am so wrong about the law and so are the courts!
     
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