The Looming Ukraine Debacle

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    I do agree that Russia has be exposed as being much less effective than most people thought it would be in this war. I also agree that Russia's reconstituted forces (I.E. the replacements for its 500,000 dead and wounded to date) are poorly trained, poorly motivated, and are far worse equipped than the Russian forces of just 26 months ago. After all Russia is mainly fielding T-55 tanks now with just the slight add on of 1970s vintage thermal optics.

    That said, they did reconstitute their basically destroyed army, however poorly. They have slowly improved their tactics over time learning some lessons and improving their use of what forces they do have. They certainly would be no match for NATO but they still have an army with at least some low quality weapons where as Ukraine is low on resources and seems unwilling to draft the needed forces because they don't want to draft the 18-27 year olds. If one side has poor equipment and training but the other side doesn't have bullets or enough men the side with bad equipment can still win. So can we please remember that the wounded and degraded bear is still something to not underestimate?
     
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    Some people call Russians orcs because their army acts like the murdering, raping and pillaging orcs of the Tolkien books. Remember that the Russians have been documented committing over 10,000 individual cases of war crimes just by mid 2023 alone.
     
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    Why not to try to count the crimes that have been done by Kiev regime since 2014 in Donbass and Lugansk area?
     
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    The US House of Representatives has passed a $60.84 billion bailout bill for Ukraine.
    It will then go to the Senate for consideration and then to Biden for signature.
    Sounds loud, but only 21.1 billion will go to the Khokhols.The distribution is as follows:
    ▪️23.2 billion will go to the U.S. military-industrial complex to replenish weapons already transferred earlier to Ukraine from the U.S. Army stockpile;
    ▪️13.8 billion will go to the US military-industrial complex for the production of new weapons for the needs of the Ukrainian army and for the replacement of weapons that are planned to be transferred to Ukraine from the US army stockpiles within the framework of the forthcoming deliveries;
    ▪️11.3 billion dollars will be used to finance the Pentagon's current operations in the region (no details are given);
    ▪️7.8 billion in financial aid to Ukraine on credit;
    ▪️ The remaining 4.7 billion goes for all other expenses.
    The Khokhlu are pissing in each other's mouths with joy, except that more was handed over last year, and we saw the outcome over the summer.
     
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    Independent observers and investigated have but determine most of the claims Russia has made are completely baseless and fabricated lies made up by the Putin dictatorship.
     
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    Sure, Ukrainian army are angels and everything was fabricated.
     
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    It has all been documented on a case by case basis and the record is open so anyone can object or review it as they please. The hard truth is Ukraine hasn't had systematic problems of war crimes because they know the west would cut them off if they did. Their continued survival depends upon following the laws of war. Russia sees committing war crimes in a systematic top down fashion as it's only way to win the war.
     
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    It is well known that the attitude of the West to the crimes of Ukraine is biased. So there are no independent investigators. All of them are dependent.
     
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    And what are the links for your claim here....viskochem?

    Meanwhile RuZzfascista is crapping their drawers.....

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-rea...mitry-peskov-medvedev-maria-zakharova-1892547


    UAF had shortage of ammo...yet the orcs could do phuck all...it's going to be a long costly summer for the "orciv".....:laughing:

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-chasiv-yar-bakhmut-ukraine-fortress-cities-1892561
     
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    Let's face it ....viskochem....you just don't like the crimes of the orcs getting exposed.

    Just the the Crocus theater disaster....you bent over backwards to implicate Ukraine....what became of the "musical chairs"?....."czarstvoh" ended up looking like a chump....LOL.
     
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    We all know that the investment of billions in previous years did not help UAF to get back what was taken by Russia so far. You can jump out of your pants but that is the fact.
     
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    Sure, you do not like the crimes made by Azov Nazis to be revealed as you support them.
     
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    Remind me which country invaded the other.
     
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    $60 Billion worth of freedom will soon be on its way to Ukraine.
     
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    Russia invaded Ukraine. And?
     
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    What "facts" are you referring too?....UAF was to lose all those other areas also in the initial stages of the war...visko?

    I'm hearing Kurgan(pop.300000) is totally flooded now?....how many bodies is that I wonder?:)
     
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    What are these "crimes" by Azov....visko?
     
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    No, that is not known. What is known is independent organizations have reviewed everything and found Russia has systematically lied just like it did when it shot down a civilian airliner and just like when Russian forces did artillery strikes in the Dunbas and tried to lie and blame Ukraine. Again, dozens of independent investigations have been conducted and all but the Russians have found the Russians were lying.
     
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    What is funny about drowned people? Typical behaviour of an assshole.
     
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    You should be upset that Putin's corrupt cronies stole 2/3rds of the money for flood controls then slapped together cheap junk that failed with the first big rains.
     
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    There is no proof Russians hit the Malasian airplane.There is also no proof that it were Russians who shelled Donbass area. This is all BS White House propaganda.
     
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    Crimes against the civilians in Donbass. That has been described many times here with the references. I am not going to dig it for you. You can do it yourself
     
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    Are you saying someone else will miss a few dead RuZzians?
     
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    Yes...ever since Girkin rode into Donbas in 2014....seems that when all the $hit started.
     
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    You need to stop telling porkey pies. Russia was found guilty and the evidence was overwhelming. Hell, they even had radio intercepts and identified the individual Russians who did it as well as the Russians discussing the cover up. They were also found guilty by the international investigation so it is simply a statement of fact that Russia shot down that airliner.
     

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