Does the cost of the war in Ukraine exceed the benefits?

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Does the cost of the Ukraine war exceed the benefits?

  1. No, because it's a war for FREEDOM

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  2. Yes

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  1. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LMAO…it’s precious that you think some partisan 6 minute video can explain the main reason for western societal decay.
     
  2. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for your detailed rebuttal
     
  3. Ddyad

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    US Debt = Olympus Mons
    Aid to Ukraine's proportion of that debt = Grain of Sand

    Infinite Horizon

    The fiscal imbalance increases to $244.8 trillion (with Measure = “Present values in trillions of constant 2021 dollars”) or 10.2 percent of all future GDP (with Measure = As a percent of the present value of GDP). Making the federal government’s fiscal policy permanently sustainable could now be achieved by increasing all future receipts by 52.7 (10.2 / 19.3) percent, a 35.6 (10.2 / 28.6) percent reduction in expenditures, or some combination of both.” (Emphasis mine)
    The U.S. Fiscal Imbalance: June 2022
    Penn Wharton Budget Model
    https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu › issues › us-fisc...

    Jun 22, 2022 — We estimate that, under current law, the U.S. federal government faces a permanent present-value fiscal imbalance of $244.8 trillion, or 10.2 ...
    https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2022/6/22/us-fiscal-imbalance-june-2022
     
  4. Lil Mike

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    That may be a bit more difficult to pull this time around. But likely won't matter much. If you do manage to get us involved in a war there, the nukes might be flying before your first draftee can get trained and mobilized.
     
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    Shame on Ukraine for invading Russia! ;-)
     
  6. Lil Mike

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    Heh, well this sounds like madness. We will see how your prediction tracks.
     
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    Most of the isolationist America Firsters and Communists were not really Pro-Hitler, but their anti-war stance certainly facilitated Hitler's aggressive war policy that led to WW II.

    Peace and Love factions whatever their intentions encourage conquerors to go to war. A strong defense and strong allies discourage aggression.
     
  8. Ddyad

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    I doubt that Russia could manage to occupy Ukraine even if all aid was withdrawn. The USSR was not even able to occupy the much smaller Finland which managed to avoid occupation without any significant aid from the West. Ukrainians have far more to fear from Russian occupation than the Finns ever imagined, and Ukrainians do not have to use their imagination.
     
  9. Endeavor

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    Nuke fires both ways. Russian are not the only one who can fire nukes.
     
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    Trump's blatant admiration for the Rooskie degenerate and goobers Comer's and Jordan's pushing his propaganda suggests a more overt complicity.
     
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    Trump did not trick Ukraine into giving up its nukes.
     
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    So what ?
     
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    You appear to be confused.

    Volodymyr Zelenskyy succeeded his predecessor, Petro Poroshenko, having defeated him in the democratic election of 2019.

    Poroshenko had been elected President of Ukraine in the democratic election of 2014.
     
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    So, it's not true.
     
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    No shame, they are taking their "Marching" order from the DNC, I mean that's how they are being *coughs* funded and any extra is certainly funneled back to those generous thieves in Washington :)

    Is a "in your face" money grab! I bet you "Whatever", that even Russia in filling it's pockets with ByDummy and DNC Retardollars.. They spend the same, just printed in a very special way..
     
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    Well that didn't make me feel any better, at all :(
     
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    You just don't know.

    Viktor Yanukovych was the last Democratically elected President of "the ukraine". He was illegally removed by the U.S. in a violent coup. Poroshenko and zelensky didn't even allow votes from ethnic Russian areas of "the ukraine". Now they don't even have elections at all.

    Now you know.
     
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    Well you claimed that Russia would lose, and I'm not sure how.
     
  21. Lil Mike

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    You do realize that is suboptimal...for the world?
     
  22. Natty Bumpo

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    You are wrong, of course. You would do well to deal with documented reality rather than parrot Russian propaganda.

    Former President Viktor F. Yanukovych committed treason by inviting Russia to invade Ukraine
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/world/europe/viktor-yanukovych-russia-ukraine-treason.html

     
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  24. Bill Carson

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    You can save that horseshit propaganda for someone foolish enough to believe it. There were several acts of treason committed, but it was by neo-nazis funded by the US.
     
  25. Bill Carson

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    Putin first became President in 2000 (and acting President December 31, 1999), the last year of Clinton's second term. If you can't figure it out, they were Presidents at the same time.

    You need to read up on Russian history.
     

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