US Floating Pier to Gaza Will Cost $320 Million.

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    US Floating Pier to Gaza Will Cost $320 Million.

    Link: https://www.newsmax.com/headline/israel-palestinians-aid/2024/04/29/id/1162801/

    Does it make any sense why WE, the United States, should be tasked with building 'shipping piers' and then providing all kinds of "aid" to so-called "Palestinians" who were quite content to allow Islamo-Nazis like Hamas to thoroughly infiltrate and essentially take over Gaza for years?

    The real motive for Biden's handlers to promote this kind of irresponsible recklessness would be to try and calm the mobs of delusional college-kiddies this summer before the election. 'Big Guy' Joe's people will do anything to keep anybody or anything from upsetting their happy little 'woke' apple cart. :hippie:

    Besides, we're only $34 TRILLION dollars in debt... we can afford it easily... all Joe's handlers have to do is get the Republican moron-majority in the House to authorize more spending!
     
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    I think the biggest goal is to supply humanitarian aid to the people stuck in Gaza. What is really frustrating to me is that this floating pier isn't even a necessity, as there is land boundaries around 3/4ths of Gaza, but Israel can't be trusted to let aid through. This is Israel's golden opportunity to show the people of Gaza they can be humanitarian to them, but they, at least the Israeli leadership, don't care and are showing the opposite, which only strengthens the ideas of the Palestinians that they are right to hate and attack Israel.
    Personally, I think the US should drop a lot of the support for Israel if their hard headed actions cause the US to spend hundreds of millions to do something that would so much more easily done if Israel cooperated.
    Biden is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
     
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    If the primary goal is not to conclude the war with Hamas destroyed as quickly as possible, you’ve got your priorities way out of whack.


    It does not take 7 months to starve to death
    It does not take 7 months to die of thirst.

    I’ll let you google how long it takes to die of those things and I don’t expect you to respond since your head will have exploded from the news.
     
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    But the land entrance places the trucks get taken by Hamas and no aid goes to the beach area. Hamas needs a whole 360 degree area to get food from.
     
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    This is a drop in the ocean and if you have to pay for all this military muscle why not use it for humanitarian purposes?
     
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    those providing humanitarian aid to the people stuck in Gaza are being killed, we are trying to provide a way to provide humanitarian aid to the people stuck in Gaza safely - no one wants to see pictures of Gazians skin and bone and dying, that would be a inhumane\genocide, and we can not sit by and allow that to happen, be like Germany all over again

    one can support Isreal trying to get Hamas, but not innocent Gazians being starved to death, that is what Biden is trying to do
     
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    sure makes it harder...

    "Aid organizations suspend operations in Gaza after World Central Kitchen workers’ deaths"

    https://apnews.com/article/world-ce...d-suspension-4a2d5bfa131ccd9984fe47076880b6b9

    "Several humanitarian aid organizations suspended operations in Gaza on Tuesday after Israeli airstrikes killed seven World Central Kitchen workers.

    The nonprofits, including World Central Kitchen, said they now need to determine whether their workers can safely provide aid in the region. According to the United Nations, more than 180 humanitarian aid workers have died since the war began in October."

    Isreal is supposed to be the good guys, I expect better from them, they need to do better
     
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    Use the pier to send them battlerifles. Not rocket launchers or artillery or explosives ...just rifles. And pistols. These are not a threat to suitably alert Israeli border defenses. But they will aid any anti-Hamas Palestinians in taking effective power back from the extremist Islamo-mafia that has ruled them for so many decades. Let the Palestinians choose their rulers instead of the Zionists or the Jihadis choosing for them.
     
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    Biden needs to please his progressive base. The U.S. didn’t provide aid to Germans as we bombed the crap out of them. Who will ensure the aid goes to the right people and not Hamas? Hamas will most likely require they handle the goods. What a freaking crap show!
     
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    The ships are being kept away from Gaza because of the fear Hamas will attack them. Israel will be inspecting the cargo for obvious reasons.
     
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    So how many have died from starvation?
     
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    By that logic, every famine in world history should have ended in less than 2 weeks

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
     
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    You clearly have a tough time with logic then if starvation existing in history is somehow a counterpoint to starvation not existing in Gaza.,

    Don’t claim starvation when no one has starved. I’m not sure what’s complicated or difficult about that concept. And if you can’t prove it in 7 months of trying, you’re going to need a hell of a lot more than a Wikipedia page about historical famine at this point bro.
     
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    So... the 'net-net' of the banter written by Biden supporters boils down to, "The Hamas-supporting population of Gaza is hungry now, so we, the United States, must spend millions on a shipping terminal(s) and then ship in millions more in "aid" because, well... just because...( :spin: ).

    Well, while their 'bleeding-hearts' are seeping, they might want to ruminate on the fact that Hamas is more popular now with 'Palestinians' now than it was before the terrorist attack on Israel last October!

    "Palestinian support for Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza remains high, according to a Palestinian poll released on March 20. That support has increased since the Iran-backed terrorist group attacked Israel on October 7. The poll, published by the Ramallah-based non-profit Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, also indicates that Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas and his faction have grown even more unpopular since the war in Gaza started."

    I will make this prediction: If Hamas ends up being seen as the winner of the war it started on October 7, support for Hamas among Palestinians will only increase." -- Cliff May, FDD Founder and President

    Link: https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/
     
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    did I say any have, I said we do not want to see pictures of innocent Gazzinans skin and bone and dying

    also do not want to see humanitarian aid workers being killed
     
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    Newsmax makes it about the cost to make it sound like something everyone should oppose, but its actually a good idea and cheaper than pumping billions more to Israeli military aid. Israel will likely pay the price for the Gaza campaign in future terror attacks but the US might avoid it by helping the civilians in Gaza.
     
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    Uh-huh... and if the $320 million dollars for this 'pier', plus millions more for the "aid", transportation, and distribution of it was going to be coming out of your (YOUR) pocket, would that be OK?

    I'm not a big lover of Israel, and never have been (no, it's NOT some kind of a "51st-state") -- but -- the Gazzinans (?) brought this on themselves! And, they allowed Hamas to shelter, grow, and take real power in Gazzin, Gaza, or whatever....
     
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    prefer that over the trillions and trillions of the Republicans 20+ year wars
     
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    So we don’t want to see it, we aren’t seeing it, but something needs to change or else we’ll see it? Is that the logic?
     
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    they are killing humanitarian aid workers, so we very well may see it as they have paused humanitarian aid

    we are hoping to prevent that
     
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    Killing? Or killed? You can’t even resist twisting the most mundane aspect of honest communication.
     
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    I was referring to the goal of the US, not Israel. I get that they want to exterminate Hamas. I would too. But they will not be able to do it with force.
    The surest way is to convince the Palestinians that they should reject Hamas.
    The only way to do that is have a better alternative and protect it.
     
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    There also aren't any ports in Gaza. One small one for small fishing boats.
    The Israeli's, fearing weapons brought in, have had a blockade for years, and only allow some small fishing boats to operate.
     
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    Hamas is a terrible group. They truly are only interested in their own well being, not the Palestinians. And the Israelis treat the Palestinians extremely poorly when it comes to humanitarian aid, as we've seen over the last months. I feel sorry for the Palestinians, but they also have a hand in their own situation. They should have rejected Hamas back in 2009 (?). There is no such thing as "innocence" in that region.
     
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    they have killed humanitarian aid, thus they are killing them, will they kill more in the future, not sure, they paused their work for now last I heard due to the killings
     
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