US Floating Pier to Gaza Will Cost $320 Million.

Exactly.,

There are a good number of issues with the US port, as foreigners may not step on Gazan soil, can't be part of the aid movement, and other bureaucratic nonsense that is not worked out. Palestinians can't be there either, or they will be shot.

Plus, it is low capacity. Rafah crossing could run at current capacity PLUS everything that the US port could handle.

My bet is that the port is SLOWING aid, because it is an excuse for not opening up Rafah to full capacity and nobody knows when the pier will be complete - not just the US part (I'd bet on our military), but the whole operation.

The reason Gazans are starving is because Israel wants them to starve.

 

I actually agree but it will be in place for when that does happen.

 

I literally named you two international organizations addressing the ongoing famine in Gaza. The ICP has reported it to be the largest food crisis both in overall number of people and overall percentage of a population since its inception in 2004. If your argument against the ICP’s assessment of the situation is the fact that the war has been ongoing for 7 months, then I don’t think I need to say much more. Anyone who reads through this thread can see how “logical” your argument is

 

Israel is losing.

Genocide is one of the worst humanitarian crimes possible.

Netanyahu has a problem in that when the war is over, he will be put out of office by his constituents. Maybe he is continuing the war to lengthen his term in office.

The next problem is why is the USA promoting genocide?

 

If Hamas doesn't blow it up first killing who knows how many people including Americans. The risk versus gain does not add up. It's for political reasons only. Biden is losing young voters and Hamas supporters.

 

Yea, all the Hamas supporters are rushing to Trump's side.

You know the pier is not for Hamas, right?

 

during this war, they are killing humanitarian aid workers, that is just a fact, that is why they paused humanitarian aid

trying to say they are not killing humanitarian aid workers, cause they are not doing it right this second is a weird defense of the killings

 

thanks to the humanitarian aid workers, but they are being scared off as they are being killed

starvation is a slow death... depending on how much you weigh before, you can survive a long time without food, the longest fast was over a year, though you will be malnourished without supplements of vitamins and minerals

this man did a 382 day fast

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri's_fast

"In 1965, Barbieri, a 27-year-old from Tayport, Scotland, checked into the Maryfield Hospital in Dundee. Initially only a short fast was planned, due to the doctors believing that short fasts were preferable to longer ones. Barbieri insisted on continuing because "he adapted so well and was eager to reach his 'ideal' weight".[2]: 203  For 382 days ending on 30 June 1966, he consumed only vitamins, electrolytes, an unspecified amount of yeast (a source of all essential amino acids) and zero-calorie beverages such as tea, coffee, and sparkling water, although he occasionally consumed small amounts of milk and/or sugar with the beverages, especially during the final weeks of the fast. He quit working at his father's fish and chip shop, which closed down during the fast. Barbieri's starting weight was recorded at 456 pounds (207 kg) and he stopped fasting when he reached his goal weight of 180 pounds (82 kg)."

 

The pier is for Biden’s reelection. He needs the young voters to win.

 

Sure, let me know when you start doing any work. So far in 7 months all you’ve done is rewrite definitions of words and then copy paste them over and over again.

Sounds pretty easy to me

 

Yep. Worst crisis ever. Look at all the nobody dead from lack food or water. Amazing. So persuasive.

 

So because humanitarian aid workers were killed more than a month ago that gives you the right to falsely portray Israel as systemically killing them every day throughout all 7 months of war. Got it.

Like I said. You can’t even resist twisting basic communication to self serve your own agenda. Sad the facts don’t line up with you. Do they ever?

 

So nobody’s dying. Good to know.

 

Where did you read the bolded? All I saw is him write killing instead of killed.

Did Israel stop killing the aid workers because it wanted to stop or because it ran out of aid workers to kill, because they stopped going in? Big difference between the two.

 

that’s the entire point of specifically choosing “killing” instead of “killed”. “Killing” portrays the act as being a problem that is current, ongoing and systemic. “Killed” simply means it’s happened at least once. Big difference, and that difference is exactly the reason he chooses “killing”.

Look up the definition of what “portray” means. You’ll find that saying things word for word is not necessary to convey meaning. “Characterize” is a good simile, I’ll use that occasionally too so heads up. English can throw some interesting curveballs.

I already have one poster falsely portraying the killing of aid workers as intentional. You’re being less subtle about it which is kinda nice rather than me having to explain English to people, but do you think I really need 2 posters repeating the same BS?

 

True. But there is also a difference between claiming the killing of aid workers is a problem that is ongoing and systemic vs claiming the killing of them is every day throughout all months of the war. You appear to have added that latter, unless I missed it.

The killing of aid workers may be systemic or intended, but temporarily paused due to a lack of aid workers to kill. Or it could be that Nettenyahu changed his mind and no longer wants to kill aid workers. Or it could be that he never did, and they were killed by mistake. These differences are important.

I speak for myself and I will write what I want.
You say the other poster is falsely portraying it as intentional, but that's just your own claim that he's wrong. He may be right. I think I could be convinced either way given sufficient evidence.

 

What the ICP stated is that Gaza is the greatest food crisis they have reported on in terms of overall and per capita population for an individual area since the ICP was first formed in 2004. Care to elaborate how you took that to mean "Worst crisis ever"?

Also worth noting that there are in fact reported deaths of starvation and malnutrition from Gaza, there is just no specific number to date on the number of overall deaths since 1. the crisis is still ongoing, thus the impact is changing by the day, and 2. there is limited medical access to Gaza due to the military blockade. The last report on the number of deaths in Gaza from starvation came in mid March, just a little bit after the food crisis was first declared, and at the time there were 32 deaths, 28 of whom were children. International field hospitals have also reported severe malnutrition from the patients they have been able to treat.. however, due to limited access to the area, they are only able to treat a few hundred people out of an area which is more densely populated than the city of Los Angeles

 

So it’s your position that we should arm the people of Gaza? What could possibly go wrong with that?

 

So you have nothing proven. Got it

 

Nothing that hasn't already gone wrong.

...and maybe, just maybe, they'll stop being dominated by Hamas (whom most of them don't like) and instead support a ruling power that's less evil.

 

What makes you think they don’t like Hamas?

 

I'm sure the Israeli settlers who build their new homes on the bulldozed corpses of gazans will appreciate it.

 

Maybe they can turn that stretch of beautiful beaches into a high end resort area?

 

"But a survey undertaken by Arab Barometer, a nonpartisan research network, between September 28 and October 8 2023 revealed dwindling confidence in Hamas (the surveys in Gaza were completed on October 6). Asked to identify the amount of trust they had in the Hamas authorities, 44% said they had no trust at all, while 23% said they had little trust. Significantly this lack of trust was roughly uniform across age groups with those between the ages of 18-29 and those over 30 giving similar answers.

An earlier poll taken by the Washington Institute in July 2023, moreover, found that 62% of people in Gaza supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel and 50% agreed that: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.”
Gaza war: how representative is Hamas of ordinary Palestinians? (theconversation.com)

Essentially, Hamas was hemorrhaging support leading up to the attack on Israeli settlements, and now their support is slowly increasing as Israel kills more and more civilians. Its reasonable to conclude this was likely Hamas' ultimate goal- retain power by goading Israel into becoming the sort of enemy that makes Hamas look more like the heroic resistance it views itself as than the radical violent mafia that it actually is. And Israeli leadership is happy to oblige.
Hamas is unpopular in Gaza. Israel's war tactics are changing that – The Forward

 

Oh, ok. Thanks for letting everyone know.