1stvermont vs Derideo_Te -Evidence for the God of the Bible and Atheism

A CONSERVATIVE Federal Judge appointed by Bush sr was presiding over ALL of the bovine excrement that you have cut and pasted into this thread.

The LAWYERS arguing for YOUR SIDE of the "creation" argument were among the BEST in the nation.

This case was about something that was happening in a RURAL school in what was then a RED state.

The judge carefully EXAMINED all of the EVIDENCE for Evolution versus the "evidence" for "intelligent design". The bogus BS about "irreducible complexity" was ALL THERE on the court record.

Essentially EVERYTHING that you have posted was used to make the case for your imaginary deity being the "creator".

That CONSERVATIVE Federal Judge chose to IMPARTIALLY REVIEW all of the evidence from BOTH sides and then after a considerable period of careful DELIBERATION he announced his ruling that has subsequently become a LANDMARK decision in our SECULAR nation. The SCOTUS has allowed it to STAND given the METICULOUSNESS and ACCURACY of the ruling in this case.

And yet is YOU that is AFRAID to look at it!

Why are you UNWILLING to even look at it?

Is it because it EXPOSES the FALLACIES in EVERYTHING that you have posted above?

Anyone else reading this thread can reach their own conclusion here.

In essence that CONSERVATIVE Federal Judge ruled that there is NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE to support your imaginary deity as being the "creator"!

So PROJECTING your own absence of critical thinking and skepticism onto others is NOT going to work.

Or are you going to PRETEND that the CONSERVATIVE Federal Judge was incapable of critical thinking and skepticism in his own courtroom?

The JUDGE has RULED on this DEBATE and you LOST!

Better luck next time.

Have a nice day!

 

Please. accept his debate offer i gave him, since it would be on-topic, Support.

 

A republican state official has no authority over me. Please stop trusting government officials appointed by the statist like Bush, and think for yourself. All you have done is shown your indoctrination level an inability to think. Argue against anything I have said, use the court case if you think it will help. Argue for your position, do something of worth.

Your link was to a nova series not a court case. This thread is not what some statist judge claims is true, it is about what is true and debating it. That court case has nothing to do with my posts. You agreed to debate me, not a republican judge, so do so. If you can contact him I would love to debate him if he wishes.


You keep saying something i agree with

NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE to support your imaginary deity as being the "creator"!

That is why you can provide no evidence in any way for your imagined atheistic universe that created itself. An imaginary deity by definition is false. That is why I have argued for the creator of our universe, the God of the bible. Not some imagined atheistic or other imagined diety.

 

WRONG again!

Your deity is IMAGINARY by the DICTIONARY definition of the term.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imaginary

Your deity LACKS FACTUAL REALITY!

You cannot provide a single shred of credible evidence that can withstand critical scrutiny!

Your pointless DATA DUMPS have all been DEBUNKED!

A Conservative Federal Judge has RULED on the CASE and found that your position does NOT MEET EVIDENTIARY STANDARDS!

You even FAILED to prove your egregious FALLACIES regarding atheism and indoctrination.

And you are in DENIAL about LOSING because it causes Cognitive Dissonance WRT your beliefs.

That Cognitive Dissonance is actually the evidence that religion is all about mind control.

Do you want to put that to a simple test?

Your religion INDOCTRINATES you into believing that there is an "AFTERLIFE".

Has any devout Christian ever come back and provided actual EVIDENCE of this "afterlife"? Have they shown pictures of themselves up in heaven having a beer with Jesus and singing in the choir?

So in order to BELIEVE in this "afterlife" you MUST accept the INDOCTRINATION that it exists.

Not hard to do given that you have already convinced yourself that you have been "SAVED" from your "SINS" by some dude who was executed by a THEOCRATIC state for BLASPHEMY! Did you know that Jesus calling himself the son of god was the crime of blasphemy punishable by the death sentence? Fortunately we have the Qumran Scrolls that establish that Jesus's brother James called Paul/Saul a LIAR for claiming that Jesus called himself the son of god. Did you know that Paul/Saul was a Roman agent charged with destroying the Jewish religion and that is why he used that blasphemy as the means to discredit Judaism and set up a competing religion?

None of the above is found anywhere in the INDOCTRINATION practiced by your religion however there is more credible evidence for that blasphemy than there is for the rest of what you have been indoctrinated to believe. Needless to say if you dig around you will find that someone has attempted to discredit the Qumran scrolls on this matter because if they were recognized they would expose the underlying fallacy of your religion.

That is getting off topic but since this debate is already over it doesn't hurt to provide an analysis as to why you lost something because it was always indefensible.

Have a nice day!

 

I think you might need to relax a bit. Have a beer and calm down. I said an imaginary diety is by definition, not real, false, imaginary. You then cite websters dictionary agreeing with me.


existing only in imagination : lacking factual reality
b: formed or characterized imaginatively or arbitrarilyhis canvases, chiefly imaginary, somber landscapes— Current Biography
2: containing or relating to the imaginary unitimaginary roots



This as I pointed out matches your position and posts and this thread proves it. You offer no factual evidence for your atheism. Neither can you defend your imaginative universe aginst my refutations of such an imaginative belief.

I have from the first said i don't care to defend an imaginary deity, i agree it is false. No I only care to defend the god of this universe who revealed himself to mankind and is known in the Bible.

I am not surprised you have imagined this to have taken place since you also imagine an atheistic universe. Your imagination is not to be underestimated nor should I not admire its power and hold over you. Anyone who can belive in an atheistic universe yet provides no evidence for it, and cant defend it against refutation, can also "imagine" that pages of posts dont exists and "have been debunked." This could never be more true

"people don't believe what they see, they see what they believe"
-- Gwynne Dyer

My apologies, but i have not had my stuff reviewed by a statist judge appointed by Bush. Nor would I care to, debate him yes, that would be fun. A republican state official has no authority over me. Please stop trusting government officials appointed by the statist like Bush, and think for yourself. All you have done is shown your indoctrination level an inability to think. Argue against anything I have said, use the court case if you think it will help. Argue for your position, do something of worth.


You are correct in saying I have not argued for indoctrination in naturalism/atheism, for you you have proven it, but the real reason is this is for the other thread. When this debate ends that one will begin. You, of course, can post over there and i will begin as soon as you like.


Derideo_Te vs 1stvermont - Does Liberal Naturalistic philosophy Exists
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...iberal-naturalistic-philosophy-exists.568330/

I am in ahh of your brilliance and refutation of "the afterlife." Before we do this I think it better to point out naturalism/atheism is all about mind control and for political reasons. An atheist is easy to turn into a child of the state obedient to national authority [aka a liberal] this will be addressed on our other thread. The mind control is to make you obedient to the state, a Christian is free in Christ and has true liberty. I hope someday you can have that liberty.


So have i had a Christian come back and tell me of the afterlife? no, that would disprove the afterlife of the bible. That would fit perhaps some pagan/ghost type phantom afterlife, but not the biblical one. So it might refute some form of an imaginary deity, not the bible.

Let me ask you, have you ever died and come back and seen there is no God or afterlife as the bible speaks of? do you have pictures that Jesus is not alive, that he remained buried and dead? that no one sings? since not Therefore atheism is false. Every time you use your faulty arguments [this is the second] you refute your imaginary atheism and miss the Bible. Love it.

I have read the bible a time or two so yes.

Well then he would have to call all the early Christians liers. But James at first was not Christian until after Jesus resurrection. But I would love to see you support this claim from the dead sea scrolls. Paul was a Roman citizen and jew, he thought Jesus false before his conversion. He was fully a "jew" [as was Jesus/deciples] until his death. But with your imagination, I am sure he was a modern liberal atheist. Facts will always be against you, however.

And here the indoctrination and imagination is most clear. I want you to support your claim you have been led [via indoctrination] that their is more evidence for what you have claimed than for the historical Christian position [aka the bible].

But honestly, why do you know care for evidence? why do you not care for it with your atheism? or when atheism is shown false? why not care then? once we dig into this it will be easy to show false, but the reason you have accepted these claims is not just indoctrination, it is more.


“People dont believe lies because they have to, but because they want to”
-Malcolm Muggeridge

I shall for once and always admire your imagination and ability to ignore reality. You dont even need drugs my friend. Ignorance is bliss they say.

 

Given your ongoing use of puerile ad homs it is readily apparent that you are incapable of engaging in any civil debate.

Couple that with kneejerk denialism and disingenuous semantic gymnastics and you have effectively CONCEDED this debate and DISQUALIFIED yourself from any further meaningful interaction as far as I am concerned.

Have a nice day!

 

"people don't believe what they see, they see what they believe"
-- Gwynne Dyer

“The truth, indeed, is something that mankind, for some mysterious reason, instinctively dislikes. Every man who tries to tell it is unpopular, and even when, by the sheer strength of his case, he prevails, he is put down as a scoundrel.”
H. L. Menck

“People dont believe lies because they have to, but because they want to”
-Malcolm Muggeridge

 

I approach Christianity as one who wants to believe. The finite nature of the Big Bang implies for me an Infinite Beginner. The complexity of the universe implies for me a Divine Intelligence behind it.

That is not enough to prove the Nicene Creed. It keeps me going to church. Moreover, I like the people I meet at church.

 

they would not call it faith, if there was proof