2020 Election

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  1. God & Country

    God & Country Well-Known Member

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    November and the election looms and it hardly seems that seven months is enough time for the country to be settled and secure enough for an election. The Democrats are already offering ideas on how voting can be accomplished. All are glaringly susceptible to fraud and out of the question but what are the alternatives? Presently the only reliable method remains the individual physically voting in their town or city and even that is subject to fraud sans a voter ID. Some exceptions have been made for the military and the infirm but are also subject to manipulation. I would propose an extension of Trump’s present term until which time we are confident the crisis is over. This I think would light a fire under our legislature to make that happen. Right now Trump is doing all that can be reasonably expected but there is a lot of counterproductive politics taking place. We are involved in a global crisis that is comparable to war, it is the world against a common enemy. America is probably the last best chance the world has yet we are still quarreling over things that comparatively speaking mean nothing in comparison to extinction. The election now is far less important than survival but we can’t ignore it either. I have offered a suggestion that will not sit with many and expect to take fire on it but it is just a suggestion. Can we have a conversation about this? Thoughts?
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    We shut down the economy so let's shut down the election. No need to have it until the Chinese Covid 19 virus has been dealt with.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a serious problem, and no matter what the solution is- change or not- it's bound to be challenged by losers as some kind of unfair or crooked scam. Challenged in congress, courts, media etc.
    Most options would seem to increase the risks of frauds. While claims of voter frauds are probably grossly exaggerated, it can happen and a quick-fix here would invite both attempts at scams and claims of them- making things pretty ugly when we need them to be clear. I think postponing the elections and extending terms would create a huge constitutional challenge, another can of worms we don't need right now.

    The election is quite a ways off, and while conditions will change- we can't know what they will be in November. However, advance voting by mail is available everywhere, and widely used. I would suggest making it available to all, allowing the bulk of people to vote by mail, and those who wish to go to a poll do so- with, if appropriate, extra safety procedures at the polling places.

    One of the keys to keeping order and focus is to normalize as much as possible; I think a radical plan here would create just the opposite effect.
     
  4. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    This is how dictatorships are born. The excuse of some crisis to suspend the democratic process.

    Millions of people have voted by mail in the past, it is no more or less susceptible to fraud than any other form
    of voting. The results might not be available on the day of voting, but that doesn't mean it's not a viable alternative.

    I am afraid that three years of Trump undermining confidence in any and every government institution has brought part
    of the country to the point where NO form of voting is going to be trusted ... virus or not.

    We didn't suspend voting in the middle of World Wars. Hell, we had Congressional elections in 1862 - right in the middle of a Civil War. By god, we will not be turned in a Banana Republic just because some people want Trump to be their God-King.
     
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  5. God & Country

    God & Country Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.
    Much different country during all times mentioned, less divided and there was on all issues except slavery a moral consensus. I didn't intend for this to become a venue for taking pot shots at the president. Politics mean absolute squat right now, what we need is to do is to find a way to hold the country together during this global threat. This virus is tantamount to China having pushed the button does anyone understand that?
     
  6. Distraff

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    I might actually be fine with this. Trump's term should be extended by six month, but only by a vote from Congress, which requires the support by both parties.
     
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    My crystal ball says 2020 elections will proceed as planned. Stay tuned as to how Democrats will push various fraud initiatives as "necessities" for voter's rights. Ain't happening in my state, as the rest? who knows.

    It will take a truly massive level of Silvio/Paulie Walnuts fraud to unseat Trump.
     
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    I said it before, if he postpones the election he is a dictator, if he keeps them on schedule he is a murderer, it makes no difference what he does the MSM will hang him either way. So whatever he decides I am not going to cry and whine about it.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet some people want to think they are like Paul Revere, galloping through the forums and social media ranting that the dictators are coming......
    When if fact, nothing that violates any laws has occurred or even proposed...., unless you count their egos and delusions as laws, as they do.
     
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    That's NEVER going to happen.
     
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    This is my biggest fear, and based on Trump's past and current behavior, I would not be surprised if he does something to that effect.
     
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    If we can't put politics aside to confont this crisis, then things are going to be very bad for us. The alternative is election by mail or online.
     
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    Or to shut down our ability to work and move about
     
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    And vote by mail works great! So why are so many Republicans trying to pass laws limiting it?
     
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    Personally I think it's too soon for this conversation. If the talk of changing the way we vote is predicated on this virus we should wait until July at the earliest. If there is another agenda at play this sort of thing needs our undivided attention. We should not consider any change to something fundamental to society in the panic phase of a crisis. There is plenty of time before election day...
     
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    We need to get into the 21st century for our voting process. I certainly agree with that. But that also means we need some way for all voters to present some kind of ID to verify they are who they say they are.
     
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    That's just what's gonna happen!
     
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    Over 129 MILLION people voted in the last election.That would be one gigantic printing job and mailing job to produce that many ballots ad mail them all out. Then we have to consider how long it would take for them all to be mailed back in and the counting and verification would take forever. A far better solution is to write a Main Frame processor program with a separate region for each of our 50 states plus any territories that are permitted to vote. Each region could have it's own unique sign on security code to bring it up, and it's own space for ballot initiatives for the state, the voting hours could be determined by each individual state for it's region. Each state would have to supply it's own current voter registration name and legal address to verify voter identity as each voter logs in either via smart phone or personal computer.A really good programming job could eliminate most security risks.Voter counts would be concurrent with voter entering his vote with no delays.The winner would be determined as soon as the last state region is closed down. With proper programming we would know exactly how many voter in every city rural areand county voted in every state and the total number from each state. We would have truly unaltered or manipulated accurate voting data for the first time in our history
     
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    I'm not even go to go there, because talk of IDs for voting is always based on the fallacious and unproven claim of voter fraud at the polls. We already know where the greatest source of voter irregularity occurs -- when politicians remap voting districts.
     
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    We need to reduce the possibility of voter fraud, either by Trump, or the democrats, or foreign powers, even if not a lot of it is happening today. Also with moving to online and mail ballots, that increases our vulnerability to our elections being hacked. That is why we need common sense ID laws. For mail and online, we will need a way for people to verify that they are who they say they are. And these ID laws shouldn't be so excessive that it prevents people from voting. We need to be prepared, but not for the reasons the Republicans like to make up.
     
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    Great idea, let's fall back on old technology.
    You REALLY don't know what you're talking about do you?
    Geez, why hasn't that happened yet???
     
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    Well that's was obvious!
     
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    The only one who has been proven guilty of voter fraud is Trump. He was impeached for it. So I don't see why there would be any reason to suspect Democrats of voter fraud. We just need to stop Trump from cheating.

    I know we won't. And he'll probably win for it. But we have to try.
     
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    Trump was impeached for voter fraud? In what universe?
     
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    Yep! Defrauding the voters is the worst form of voter fraud
     

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