60% of Restaurant Closures Permanent, More will Close

huh? How can we come from a 60-day lockdown And force masks and still see cases rising? Virus gonna do what he virus gonna do and no cute home-made mask or Democrat loved lockdown is going to change that

 

There is the thing - "Lessons Learned" thusfar - If you are going to lock down - you have to go into full lockdown - not half measures. You do this for a short period of time until the curve flattens - but then you open up again when that happens. If you get a resurgence - you lockdown that region - and isolated it from the rest of the State - rest of the nation - until the curve flattens - and then open it up.

We got away from the "The reason we are locking down is so the Hospitals are not overwhelmed" - which made sense at the time - note knowing how fast this would spread - and being unprepared.

but the big problem is that if you choose the Lockdown route - you have to do it hard - and then open back up when the Hospital risk is gone.

 

Because not enough people are wearing the masks. If people would wear the masks, the spread would slow dramatically. This is so easy to understand, yet, here we are, months in, and people are still confused.

Madness.

 

Talk about that in Post 27.

 

I don't disagree. Florida is on fire right now. The Marlins got to play one or two games, and now they are shut down, because something like 50 people in the organization, (players & staff,) got it. We have numerous hospitals at max capacity, now. My nurse friends are going nutz - not enough people to staff the way too crowded hospitals.

My closest fire station got shut down temporarily. Too many firefighters are in isolation.

Just wear the damn mask. (Not you, personally.)

 

yep, exactly, I been saying that since the beginning... made no sense to shutdown states that had so few cases, should have saved that option for later when it's needed

 

Get over your anger, you're wrong and have been wrong from the beginning.

We've hung ourselves on a horned dilemma of our own making. Time for the fear mongering to end, it actually is costing lives.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2020/07/29/no-point-in-wearing-mask-sweden-covid/amp/

We see no point in wearing a face mask,’ Sweden’s top virus expert says as he touts the country’s improving COVID numbers

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  BY
• CHARLES DALY AND BLOOMBERG

July 29, 2020 5:41 AM EDT

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eu...irus-spread-slows-but-immunity-still-a-puzzle

Is Sweden’s coronavirus strategy working after all?

Sweden famously took a totally different approach to its Nordic neighbours in trying to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus.

 

Uh - that varies drastically from other reports.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-australia-sweden-approach-coronavirus.html

 

History will show if Trump took the wrong approach or not, Trump's biggest problem though is that he was incapable of giving a consistent message

the Trump guidelines to the States said to shut down, his Tweets said to open... then when republican governors opened he attacked them for opening too soon...

 

Perhaps the loss of some businesses, will teach other businesses how not to function.

In general, people were so busy spending money, they forgot to understand that things happen, and now are demanding they be given money, ignoring what it should be spent on.

I am beyond frustration for people who believe they can armchair quarterback a freakin' pandemic, and declare themselves the victor...

 

Mask is not the "sole" solution - must be done in conjunction with other things - and realistically if these other things are done a Mask will not make much of a difference - but sure - When we Lock Down - you have to go into full lock down. A gazillion other nations proved that this rapidly flattens the curve- once you get it flat though - you need to open back up.

We can not go on like this - sans a complete change of economic system - and that is not going to happen. Money will not fall from the tree forever - we are facing massive economic destruction - which will cause many deaths - and the longer we stay in Lockdown/Partial Lockdown the worse the Economic Tsunami will be

 

We know we can control this thing - so when it is not "out of control" you need to open up and resume as normal "Except" folks should not return to licking bathroom door nobs = practice better social hygiene in general.

Once the curve is flat - new outbreaks are easily traced and contained .. and if it is not - you lockdown that local area. Like when they put a sign to get your car off the street for street cleaning .. somewhat

 

I agree completely. I wasn't disagreeing, just saying that if more people would have complied with the guidance as it came in when we continued to learn more, we would not be in the current situation we are in. The mask is just one example of many.

There were many mistakes. We all need groceries and toiletries. That had to happen. What also happened is that people were wandering through Walmart with their entire family, browsing at toys and home goods and trinkets. There's lots more examples of people completely disregarding the disease.

Yesterday, in a thread, someone told me that even if they give someone COVID, they are 100% sure that person would come through without death or lifelong conditions. He's a supreme knower of all things, I guess.

Too many people weren't willing to take it seriously, and that's why we're still here, doing this. We could have been done by now.

 

One of my 3 favorite restaurants in the state is the Mediterranean Grill. Love it, and they have not tried to reopen so far. That makes sense, Freeport is a tourist trap, and tourism is way down this year. But I was jonesing for it before this started, and now I'm worried I'll be stuck with the other places. Which either stink or are way more expensive.

 

Not really. Sweden is mostly through it. From this point forward all other countries rates and numbers will catch up and then surpass Sweden's. Sweden's economic numbers will improve day over day where lockdown countries will continue to suffer.

Zero transmission isn't rational, it wasn't the original goal but has become the measure because of fear and politics. Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve to keep the utilization rate of hospitals sustainable at 50-70%.

We smashed to curve and cheered, bit in doing so have left the population susceptible. Thus we have to remain in perpetual lockdown until a vaccine is produced.

Our horned dilemma, money or death was political bullshit. There was always another path. Protect the at risk, let those not at risk keep working to maintain the at risk and eventually reach infection levels that naturally reduced transmission R to below 1.

We took the wrong path.

 

No cure for stupid - but these folks will comply due to social pressure if everyone else is doing it.

 

In BOLD above won't solve anything...you need to solve the Covid-19 issue! NOTHING will get back to normal or improve until Covid-19 is under control. And the longer Americans, and politicians, and the president refuse to mitigate Covid, the more damage, both short-term and permanent, will happen...

 

56 hospitals in Florida are now at capacity. We're on fire. The goal was never 0 transmission, and it still isn't.

 

yep, agree, I have disagreed with the Trump guidelines since the get go, this should have been a targeted approach like you say

 

we were locked down

the only thing that was open around here were grocery stores and home depot/lowes. After 60 days, things opened slowly yet even with 60 days of people locked down, the virus was still around. It's a freakin virus. We need to grow herd immunity. We've gone the knee-jerk method of killing the economy and forcing masks, yet here we are. Your solution...................kill the economy even more and lock down more. In other words, do the same failed thing again. Will you stop pushing that crap if Biden wins?

 

LOL. I'm a Biden supporter because I take COVID seriously?

LMAO.... You're a funny person.

Let's open up. Let's just be smart about it. Let's quit pretending that masks are a government plot to control our lives.

 

There will be a big adjustment in people's lives, especially when it comes to jobs. I see more internet workers, more delivery services, and less stores unless rents are dropped drastically. I also see mass sterilizing of goods in stores and other places - probably with special lights at night..

The government needs to get involved. They have to figure out what kind of jobs will be needed, and also to help people out so they can train for the types of jobs that will be needed.

 

Don't know if it had that much to do with Trump. The States are the ones responsible for implementation of lockdown.
Trump never said "Don't Lock Down" once this thing was recognized as a significant issue - never mind get in the way of State lockdown procedures.

Once things seemed under control (which was questionable and that can be debated) Carrot Top did shill for getting the economy up and running - but that is politicking - it was up to the States to make the call.

In general I think folks in the US did not take the lockdown seriously enough in the beginning - tough to come up with another rational for why we are so bad at controlling this thing here.

Sure there are other places that are having trouble .. Brazil - for the same reasons as the US - as they are the US of South America.

 

I was shocked by this months ago. We only have one WalMart in our town and whole sections were completely roped off. Upon asking staff about it, they said that people were just casually shopping and it was imperative that they only got the essentials because there was a limit to the number of customers that can be in the store at the same time. I couldn't believe it. Then, again, I know people don't like thinking about hard stuff so I guess it's easier to be in denial and pretend that everything is as it's always been.

 

Same applies. They were the businesses which were destined to fail for lack of capital and/or a non-resilient business model. It's the concentrated nature of this event which makes it seem so much worse .. and of course lots of people out of work at once, where normally it would be staggered.

This is exactly why we all need to live well below our means, so we can build a reserve of cash for emergencies. No job is truly secure in the 21stC. We can't keep pretending that things are the same as they were 15 or 20 years ago.