A simple question

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    We've been over this in the past. Out of the many reasons for suicide only one is a rational decision. The rest, an individual loses their right to make decisions on life and death matters.
     
  2. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    No, it means they are members of society whether they want to be or not.
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if human life has no value, than you shouldnt worry about being a slave
     
  4. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    Then ultimately human beings are nothing more than commodities, to be bought, sold, and traded as those in positions of authority see fit. Any given individual is nothing more than the equivalent of a trading card.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    well, that is what YOU believe.

    and if human life has no value, than we can easily ignore any such "rights" that they claim to have.
     
  6. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    Which would ultimately require ignoring established laws in the process.
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if your life has no value and no meaning, any rights you claim to have are a joke.

    meaningless lives have no rights.
     
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  8. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    And yet even the most meaningless lives in the united states are still protected by the existence of laws, thus suggesting that to someone, somewhere, even the most meaningless of lives still holds some measure of meaning and importance, even if it is not to the individual that feels they are meaningless in a world of more than seven billion other individuals.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    well that should change.

    anyone who views human life as useless and valueless, should be treated to the ultimate logic of their personal beliefs, regarding our laws and statutes. If someone believes human life has no meaning and no value, government and society is not obligated to respect their rights or privileges.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Meaning that individuals who are depressed and have no interest in living should simply be killed off because they view themselves as being worthless?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no they should be helped and treated.

    not viewed as worthless lives, as you see them
     
  12. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    And yet it is how they view themselves, hence the decision to end their own existence as they see no point in continuing on.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    people who believe that life has no value and no meaning, should not be allowed to possess firearms
     
  14. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    Which is not actually relevant to the discussion at hand.

    Do try and stay focused, rather than attempting to change the subject of discussion to a preferable topic.
     
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    We? Got a mouse in your pocket, Ronnie?
     
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    And that should be their decision...not anyone else's.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Remnants from a time when religion was prominent.

    In the present day, regressive public health worship.

    It is YOUR body. You should be able to hang shoot up heroin, smoke a pack a day, hang yourself, drink battery acid or pay anyone to do any of the above to you.

    It is YOUR body, not the state's. The state has no right to have you in good health.
     
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    Many of us would argue that wishing to be dead is a mental illness, and an insane person shouldn't be allowed to kill themselves.
     
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    So, my question, are their no situations where suicide would be a logical, rational (sane) decision?
     
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    I don't believe so.
     
  21. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Yes there is one. Choosing how you die with a terminal illness.
     
  22. Xenamnes

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    How does an individual who is suffering from insanity, and ultimately removing themselves from the equation and society in general, not considered a good thing? Insanity is permanent and there is no recovery from such a condition. Those afflicted are condemned to a lifetime of suffering, needing constant care just to remain functional to an extent society deems acceptable, if at all. Forcing them to continue existing when they have no desire for such could ultimately be argued as a form of cruel and inhuman punishment.
     
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    I hope you get cancer. I hope you live in agony for years, BEGGING to die.
     
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    Societies for all of time have made impositions on their members. Your initial hypothesis seems to be flawed in that you're assuming that just because we value personal freedoms, that we think those freedoms should be universal and unfettered. This is patently untrue. We, as a society, have agreed to put restrictions on our personal freedoms because we, as a society, think that those restrictions are "good for us". We don't have universal individual freedom. We never have and I suspect that we never will. We do have the freedom to decide, as a society, what we consider to be a right and what we don't. Currently, we don't believe that individuals should have the right to end their own existence. If you think that it should be a right then get out there and get to work.
     
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