In other words, you've apparently combed this thread, found that you are unable to refute any of the facts that debunk the fraudulent standard narrative and therefore your only hope is to censor those who threaten the fantasies you've apparently been deceived into believing. Nobody denies that what has only recently come to be known as THE Holocaust® happened. In other words, nobody here has denied that some Communists, Bolsheviks, innocent Jews, homosexuals, Roma were incarcerated along with genuine common criminal rapists, murderers, thieves etc where some were executed, died of natural causes or simply served their sentences and were discharged. On the other hand, numerous Jews were members of the Nazi Party and about 150,000 Jews served in Hitler's military with many Jews rising to the highest ranks and receiving Germany' highest honors. Since this happened with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command, the notion that all Jews were incarcerated is an obvious myth. Except for gullible victims of the Holocaust Industry-Lobby and its complicit Western MSM, the vast majority of people around the world(1) do not believe the outrageous lies about lampshades made from human skin, a genocidal agenda, soap made from human fat, homicidal gas chambers, a Conveyor Belt of Death(2) a recently invented "vaporizer"(3) and other fictions generated by the Holocaust Industry and Allied propagandists. Re: Bearing mind that countless innocent Germans have been criminally robbed, enslaved, tortured and / or murdered based on holocaustian lies, and Allied propaganda, are there any other sacred fictions that you feel should not be exposed or is it just the debunking of the fragile holocaust myth that you oppose and why? (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust. This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources. Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED (2) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death" https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/ EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED (3) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts" http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED
The occasional overdone claims do not mean that the Nazis did not murder 6 million Jews and roughly 5 million other people. The Nazis themselves documented most of the deaths. And the piles of bones at the extermination camps can't be explained away. Yeah, about two million Germans were murdered in the aftermath of World War Two but this in no way mitigates the crimes of Nazi Germany and their collaborators.
Ok, yeh the one where the J-Ws fried and holocausted nearly 500,000 innocent germans and refugees in one night, thats the one right?
no evidence has ever been found to support that claim, qualified validation citation please. no evidence has ever been found to support that claim, qualified validation citation please. no evidence has ever been found to support that claim, qualified validation citation please.
The myth that the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews(1) and about 5 million others is the most fatuous of those "overdone claims". Please remember that the Germans did not have anywhere near the manpower, resources or desire needed to round up, transport, incarcerate, feed, house, medically treat and then execute 11 million people at the same time that they were vastly outnumbered and fighting a war on 3 Fronts. It's just impossible to do both. Secondly, the most credible and impartial accounting of the work camp deaths is from the Red Cross(2) and East German Government which puts the number of camp fatalities at fewer than 300,000. Thirdly, there have not been any mass graves found that contain even a tiny fraction of the 11 million claimed deaths. For example, the desperately reviled Richard Krege took a team of researchers and a GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar) machine, augers etc to Treblinka and searched all the sites for six days that were supposed to contain 800,000+ bodies and found absolutely nothing(3) (1) "JEWISH POPULATION NUMBERS IN 1933 AND 1948." https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/jewish-population-numbers-in-1933-and-1948/ EXCERPTS "In other words, according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000. If the German government under Adolf Hitler had – as alleged – murdered six million Jews those losses should have been reflected in the Jewish population numbers quoted in the World Almanac. A Factual Appraisal Of The ‘Holocaust’ By The Red Cross The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey." CONTINUED (2) "INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS" https://archive.org/details/auschwitz_201905 EXCERPTS: "OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED Sealed and guarded since the end of WWII at Arolsen, Germany, the Official IRC records reveal the actual Concentration Camp total death toll was 271,301 For years, people around the world – “the West” in particular – have been told that “six million Jews were systematically murdered by Germans in ‘Concentration Camps’ during World War 2.” Thousands of honest people disputing this claim have been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Several countries around the world have jailed and heavily fined people for disputing the claim that “6 Million” Jews were killed. Red Cross and East German government figures put the total deaths at every camp as 272.000, and 282,000 respectively which includes homosexuals, communists, gypsies, murderers, paedophiles etc. The 6 Million figure is a Kabbalist number, a magickal figure which featured in news papers in the early 1900’s." CONTINUED (3) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves" https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED
I find it shocking that in the face of SO MUCH evidence proving the 'J-W' as victim holocaust is all lies and the eternal perpetuation of those lies used to cover up the real holocaust where in fact the germans are the victims of the J-Ws is simply beyond anything imaginable. Worse they created an industry out holocausting the germans, and went to the extreme of throwing any german in jail who exercises their freedom of speech and correctly calls bullshit on the J-W[ish] holohoax. How can this exist in a modern world? ....or have we completely lost control of the organizations we call 'government' to some agency outside our knowledge or ability to control?
"no evidence has ever been found to support that claim, qualified validation citation please." dont worry about it I mistook you for someone that might have a fact to post.
Jews, you know, believe there is no hell. They also believe, like Hindus, that chances are slim to none that they will ever get into Heaven. Instead, they believe in reincarnation, just like Hindus. Isn't that interesting, given that that belief comes straight out of India, not Egypt?
I consider myself a Christian and I believe that virtually no adults will go to heaven. Probably something like one in a thousand who profess to follow Christ.
Holocaust denial isn't forbidden in the US, unlike in many European countries. But I think survivors can take civil law action against HC deniers.
And this is why it is pointless to debate a holocaust denier, I showed you from your own source how this is not true, but still you repeat it. http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-60#post-1071644784
I mentioned that once too. It's typical behavior of Holocaust deniers: repeating their falsehoods over and over until the opponent gives up annoyed.
It is worth exposing them though, anybody looking at this thread with an open mind can read the truth, especially helpful when you have a real Jew hater and Nazi apologist who is so obvious. Often it is just innuendo but here we can see the madness in all its full lunacy!
Honest Jew-haters should actually be thankful to the historical Nazis for the Holocaust. And honest Nazi apologists should strive to promote understanding for the Nazis and why they believed that mass murder of Jews was considered helpful for the "Aryan" race. But instead, HC deniers try lying and falsifying history. Their dishonesty is hard to beat in terms of shabbiness. Holocaust denial is almost as bad as killing the millions of victims for a second time. And nothing is achieved with it!
Yes I mentioned this before in a post, it is a sad way of looking at it but what did Hitler achieve if not almost wiping out European Jewry. I must admit the Nazis as victims is a new one on me, having spent my youth playing in the rubble created by Nazi bombs it is a line I find hard to swallow, I dread to think what victims of the Holocaust must think when they hear this crap.
Nazis were not victims, rather they were crazy confused people. They saw themselves in a race war against Jews. According to Nazis, Jews were not normal enemies to be defeated on the battlefield. For them, Jews were like rats or lice, which they had to fight with pest control methods, for example, poison gas. This dehumanization made it particularly easy for the Nazis to murder Jewish children. If I were a neo-Nazi, I would try to convince others that Jews have to be exterminated as a dangerous anti-race. But instead, the real neo-Nazis are lying that the HC never happened although falsification of history has never worked.
I saw a repeat of the argument up thread that "the Nazis could not have killed 6 million Jews while engaged in a war and so forth". Matthew White points in his "The Great Big Book of Horrible Things" that this is a ridiculous argument in the extreme. In the Rwandan Genocide the Hutu's murdered nearly one million Tutsi's in barely three months time (faster than the Nazis) using little more than bladed weapons.
My experience in debating holocaustians is that they generally employ three rhetorical traits: evasion, slander and deception in reciting the inflated falsehoods they have been led to believe without question. If you are going to attempt to refute one of my posts, please attempt to refute all of my points rather than going for what you may consider "low hanging fruit". What about the rest of the facts I presented that you are careful to evade? Firstly, no one here has "denied" what has only recently come to be known as "THE Holocaust®" so the term "Holocaust denier" is a deliberately dishonest misnomer invented to slander and misrepresent the views of those who attempt to view history objectively and critically. Please show where I or anyone else here has denied that the incarceration and occasional execution of Communists, Jews, Bolsheviks, gays, the Roma and genuine common criminals happened. Secondly, it is apparently far more futile to debate professionally brainwashed holocaustian victims of Holocaust Industry indoctrination who are unable to grasp the simple reality that the Allies used propaganda too(1) and along with the Holocaust Industry, exerted overwhelming financial and political pressure on the Red Cross to alter its original findings(2) to be more consistent with the Allied propaganda and Holocaust Industry narrative. I also noticed that you were careful to evade addressing the fact that the East German Government assessed the total camp death toll at 282,000.(2) Thirdly, the reference to "6 million Jews" has been used 167 times from 1900 to 1945 and in many instances the Germans were accused of killing "6 million Jews" even before the end of WW2(3) Meanwhile, according to the far more credible World Almanac, the Jewish population grew from 1933 to 1948(4) as millions of Jews were fortunate enough to emigrate by way of Hungary, Romania & Turkey. Finally, if it was the intention of Hitler and high ranking Nazis to wipe out all of Europe's Jews, they would not have allowed Jews to become high ranking members of the Nazi Party or have allowed 150,000 Jews to serve in the German military with many Jews reaching Germany's highest ranks and being awarded Germany's highest military honors. (1) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts” http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED 15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606. (1). "INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS" https://archive.org/details/auschwitz_201905 EXCERPTS: "OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED Sealed and guarded since the end of WWII at Arolsen, Germany, the Official IRC records reveal the actual Concentration Camp total death toll was 271,301 For years, people around the world – “the West” in particular – have been told that “six million Jews were systematically murdered by Germans in ‘Concentration Camps’ during World War 2.” Thousands of honest people disputing this claim have been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Several countries around the world have jailed and heavily fined people for disputing the claim that “6 Million” Jews were killed. Red Cross and East German government figures put the total deaths at every camp as 272.000, and 282,000 respectively which includes homosexuals, communists, gypsies, murderers, paedophiles etc. The 6 Million figure is a Kabbalist number, a magickal figure which featured in news papers in the early 1900’s." CONTINUED (3) "167 newspaper and other references to "Six Million Jews" 1900-1945" http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/6Mx167.html EXCERPT #165 1944 - Nahum Goldmann, Jewish Western Bulletin, December 8th, 1944: " ... apart from Jewish losses in combat service, 5,500,000 Jews have been killed in Germany and German-occupied tesritories [territories] since the outbreak of the awr [war]. These figures exceed the number anticipated even by the most pessimistic. ... Yes, the Germans murdered close to six million Jews ... " #166 1944 - Ilya Ehrenburg, Soviet War News, December 22nd, 1944: "In the regions they seized, Germans killed all Jews, from the old folks to infants in arms. Ask any German prisoners why his fellow countrymen annihilated six million innocent people ... " (4) "JEWISH POPULATION NUMBERS IN 1933 AND 1948." https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/jewish-population-numbers-in-1933-and-1948/ EXCERPTS "In other words, according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000. If the German government under Adolf Hitler had – as alleged – murdered six million Jews those losses should have been reflected in the Jewish population numbers quoted in the World Almanac. A Factual Appraisal Of The ‘Holocaust’ By The Red Cross The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey." CONTINUED
"APPLES TO ORANGES" Unless fixed with bayonets, AK-47s are not generally considered "bladed weapons" just as the Hutus were not vastly outnumbered and fighting a 3 Front war against some of the largest and most sophisticated powers on the planet. Did the Hutus feed, build shelter for Tutsis and medically treat them in sophisticated hospitals(1)? I could go on but your comparison is really to grossly flawed to take seriously. (1) HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE http://radiochristianity.com/holocaust-deprogramming-course/
If you deny, 5-6 Million Jews were murdered by the Nazis European Jews were rounded up and sent to camps for no other reason than they were Jews. Jews were systematically put to death by the Einsatzgruppen. Jews were gassed in at least three camps. The Nazi ideology was based on the superiority of the "Aryan" race. You are a Holocaust Denier, where your badge with pride!
Yours is about the twentieth different definition of the meaningless misnomer, "Holocaust denier" that I've heard so far. Meanwhile, most people around the world who have heard of the holocaust are smart enough to recognize an enormously profitable and fraudulent(1) conspiracy theory when they see one: ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust. This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources. Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED If the for-profit holocaust myth rested on a solid, factual foundation it wouldn't need draconian "Holocaust denial" laws to prohibit its honest examination and open discussion in almost 20 democracies. In reference to this ADL poll, I think that it's safe to assume that even more people are smart enough to reject the fraudulent, standard holocaust narrative because they feared prosecution under those same holocaust denial laws. Now, rather than engaging in evasive name calling and gossiping about this forum's non existent "Holocaust deniers", "Neo Nazis" etc, why don't you address the facts I've presented so far? (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED
