And is it antisemitic when Iran’s leaders say Israel has no place in history and there is no real proof that the Holocaust happened and even if it did, then the Germans did the Jews a favor? But I will bite. Are you saying that the state of Israel should no longer be allowed to exist as they do or what would you suggest to solve this issue?
Yes it is antisemetic. No I am saying, It is not antisemetic to point out that some zionist jews have become perpetrators of Nazi like ideology. Amazingly that is why I used those words!
But given the “Nazi like ideology” (which presumably creates bad actions) of the Jewish state of Israel, what in your opinion should be done about it, if anything?
The answer lies in your question, "the Jewish State" when it is the Israeli state then a solution will of been found.
No you have evaded my question with semantics Please try again with the question in a form that doesn’t allow for the obfuscation: Given the “Nazi like ideology” (which presumably creates bad actions) from the state of Israel, what in your opinion should be done about it, if anything?
No I did not evade, on the contrary I gave you the answer, the problem lies in your original question and assertion that Israel is a Jewish State.
Sigh You have answered nothing but remain stuck on a couple words that give you semantic cover. I don’t enable evasions. If Israeli action is so noxious to you, what in YOUR opinion should be done about it? Or do you just prefer to complain without practical resolution?
I did not suggest Israels actions were noxious to me, you simply made that up. Do not try to put words in my mouth. Now show where I said Israels actions were noxious to me or expose yourself to being called dishonest.
You described Israelis as having “Nazi like ideology”. Is Nazi like ideology not noxious to you? You do not like being cornered rhetorically do you?! And you do not like it when you are being asked simple provocative questions that you do not wish to answer because you have no practical answers. So you evade to non sequiturs. Doesn’t work with me.
Thank you, you have just shown that I did not in fact describe Israelis as having a "Nazi like ideology and shown that you are indeed making things up. Now understand that the majority of Jews do not live in Israel. All zionist Jews are not Israelis and suggesting that "some zionist Jews" have a nazi like ideology is not the same as describing Israelis as having a Nazi like ideology. Learn english, learn nuance and stop creating strawmen to argue against. You have exposed exactly what you are.
What do you care about what a few religious zealots in a country like Israel think unless you feel they are directing Israeli military policy? Or are you worried about an international Jewish conspiracy? (I’ve heard this before somewhere.) If not why bring it up? Now about all the other points I made... let’s deal with them?
Simply declaring yourself the winner in discourse is not to be the winner in discourse. I understand you don’t wish to deal with my many other points as you feel you cannot adequately defend the positions you would posit . But that is no excuse! Please deal with them and not just the ones you don’t wish to evade. And why bring up present Zionism in this thread? Where were you hoping to take it if not to suggest that modern Israel is controlled by the Zionists? And if that is the way you feel then what do you propose to do about it? Straw man arguments, huh. Do you understand the term? If so give me an example of when I’ve used one.
I have given you examples, and you then showed that I had not written what you said I have written, thus making a fool of yourself. If you wish to double down by insisting I respond to your strawmen go ahead. Now if you have any comment on my original post that it is "important to point out that it is not all Jews that became perpetrators, not even all Zionist Jews." or "It is not antisemetic to point out that some zionist jews have become perpetrators of Nazi like ideology." and those comments are interesting and relevant you might get a response. But I rather suspect you have some points to make that I am not interested in and I feel no obligation to help you!
Pretty defensive, guy! I ask you for examples of straw man arguments from me and you just say I made them without citing a single example. I challenge you on other points and you resort to ad hominems. You evade every difficult pointed question I ask you. You are tedious and no longer worthy of my intellectual energy and investment. I tried to be patient with you but it’s pointless. I wish you the best!
Twentieth century anti semitism was evil (unless you were a Nazi or a Muslim) but 21st century anti semitism is ok by the new PC standards. (Muslims lead the way in ethics now).
Anyway, I'm pleased that this thread has changed from stupid holocaust denial to a discussion of real problems. Anti-Semitism is indeed a very complex thing.
What is truly "stupid" is blindly believing anything and everything generated by the Hollywood - Holocaust Industry without question. Meanwhile, please show where anyone here has denied that the Holocaust happened.
When you have people in the Middle East regularly denying that the Holocaust even happened or going so far as to say if it did then the Germans did the Jews a favor then seeing the larger community of that region or the world not immediately condemning this, one begins to wonder why this speech is so protected when other speech directed at other ethnic groups is not. Anti semitism is popular again.
The thread clearly illustrates: i-it used the pretense of claiming it was a discourse on the state of Israel to pretext anti-semitic baiting 2-it was and is used as a basis to deny the holocaust and engage in hateful comments about Jews 3-features the same handful of individuals who have established on this forum they have a white neo Nazi agenda. So the further comments do not mean a thing to me other than to provide me a basis to enjoy watching how bullies hve no clue how to engage in any thought process that makes any sense and limit themselves to subjective hateful references as to those they do not like and believe they have a right to hate. Instead of a hood to hide behind, today's run of the mill bigots can hide behind the anonymity of the inherent element of the forum that hides identity. Just as the hood never hid the pointed head, the words on these threads never hide that point either.
