About the Holocaust

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not just 'fake photos' but 'fake videos' in an age when faking film was a tricky proposition ?????
    And fake boastings by Germans, and fake audios of Hitler condemning the Jews and yes,
    even fake SS and Gestapo types ?????
    The Katyn was Stalin's work. He was the most evil man to have ever lived, on the basis
    of what he did.
     
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    I was hoping that you would watch the testimony of holocaust survivors who tell the truth (1) with an open mind.
    Other survivors openly debunk the "homicidal gas chambers myth:

    "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    - EXCERPT " An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train journey to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz. Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads." CONTINUED (2)

    - EXCERPT " A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of gas chambers during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later." CONTINUED

    I lived, worked and studied in what was then W. Germany in the mid 1970s where I had the opportunity to speak candidly with dozens of people of various nationalities who either fought in or simply survived WW 2 and / or the holocaust.

    Except for the time near the end of the war when Germany's infrastructure was destroyed, every holocaust survivor reported that, generally, they were treated quite well.

    One Russian lady in particular whose family was murdered by Jewish Bolsheviks had her home burned and went on to be captured by all the major armies throughout the entire war. She was adamant that of all the nationalities, the Germans treated her the best, better even than her fellow Russians.

    On additional bit of evidence that is conspicuously omitted is holocaust mythology has to do with the intercepted, secret German radio transmissions.
    As you know, the British cracked the German Enigma code so the Allies were able to listen in on what was really happening in German occupied territories.
    It is especially noteworthy that there was absolutely no mention of a "genocidal agenda", homicidal gas chambers or any of the slanderous nonsense that is the stock in trade of the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry & its glut of grisly theme parks:

    “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED

    Did you read "The Holocaust Deprogramming Course" and, if so, what was your opinion?

    "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
     
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    I knew an old Jewish lady who survived the concentration camp. Can't remember the name of it -
    the name reminded me of a 'rifle.'
    She not only survived, but she answered back to a camp commandant. She paid the price with
    her face scarred. But she survived. This doesn't mean any Jew or Russian could do the same.
    In many camps people simply never came out again.
    A friend of ours - his grandmother and child leapt from a train to Auschwitz. They were helped
    by the partisans. None of her family was seen again.
     
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    Re:
    You're right. No nationality, race, religion or ethnic group has a monopoly on its capacity for cruelty however it is generally accepted that more people have been murdered under global Communism than any other political ideology.


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    The implication of this is that the cruel German camp commander scared this woman's face when there is nothing to support such a slanderous stereotype.
    I don't believe that the Germans were any more cruel than the Allies especially when you consider that countless numbers of German civilians and POWs disappeared into Stalin's gulags, Eisenhower's death camps(1) and post war British and French work camps.
    Additionally, the Expulsion of ethnic Germans from the eastern part of Germany is considered one of the top ten genocides but few have even heard of it(2)

    To support this opinion, there were multiple orders from Himmler that prohibited cruelty(3).
    Former camp commander Karl Koch, for example, was summoned to be executed by Judge Konrad Morgen.

    I hope that you will please notice how Hollywood's Spielberg continues in anti German propaganda long after WW 2.


    (1) “Buried Alive Screaming In The Night: German POW Survivors Describe Eisenhower’s Extermination Camps After WWII Had Ended”
    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018...ers-extermination-camps-after-wwii-had-ended/


    EXCERPT “The Western Allies deliberately murdered approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of starvation, exposure, and illness. This Allied atrocity was first publicly exposed in 1989 in the book Other Losses by James Bacque. Bacque estimates in Other Losses that the victims undoubtedly number over 790,000, almost certainly over 900,000, and quite likely over a million. The prisoners’ deaths were knowingly caused by army officers who had sufficient resources to keep these prisoners alive. Relief organizations such as the Red Cross that attempted to help prisoners in the American camps were refused permission by the army. “CONTINUED


    (2) "Expulsion of Ethnic Germans after World War II (1945)"
    https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-horrific-genocides-in-history.php

    EXCERPT "However, the forced displacement of some 14 million ethnic Germans and allied Slavs from Soviet Russia, from occupied areas of Eastern and Central Europe in the aftermath of World War II, has to go down as something pretty close to genocide, especially when one considers that between half a million and two million of them didn’t survive the journey.

    While most of these deaths were from famine and disease, many German civilians were also executed outright, or sent to internment and labor camps by the Soviets— "CONTINUED


    (3) "THE FACT SPIELBERG SUPPRESSED IN SCHINDLER'S LIST: The Commandant of Krakau-Plaszow (Amon Goeth) Was Arrested by the SS for Brutality against Inmates"
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist6.html

    EXCERPT "This vital, exculpatory information has been censored by Spielberg in order to maintain his propaganda depiction of the German military in the worst possible light.

    The fact that the SS, under orders from Heinrich Himmler, attempted to operate the concentration camps (KZ) in a humane manner, in part by prosecuting, jailing and even executing brutal Nazi concentration camp personnel, has been nearly completely suppressed in much of the discussion of the history of World War Two.

    One of the key officers who was instrumental in Himmler's campaign to attempt to ensure the human rights of KZ inmates, was the heroic and incorruptible SS Judge Konrad Morgen."CONTINUED
     
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    Nazis were paranoid. For them, Jews were the main enemy.
    The Nazis even declared Gentiles to be Jews to be thrown into their Holocaust killing machine. :(
     
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    quote - 'nothing to support such a slanderous stereotype'
    SHE didn't need to 'support' anything, and the 'stereotype' was her experience.
    But the camp commander wasn't quite 'stereotype' in that he let a Jew live who
    answered him back.

    Yes, the Communists killed more people than anyone. I think Mao could have
    killed 80 million. And the Mongols killed nearly 12% of all humans on earth. But
    it's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about Hitler's desire to
    purge Europe of all Jews - and he nearly succeeded.
     
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    During the Weimar years, a little more than half of the Bolsheviks / Communists were Jewish(1) and it was Bolshevism / Communism that Germany's National Socialists considered Germany's greatest threat. At one point the Communists controlled all of Bavaria and threatened to consume all of Germany.
    Therefore, it was primarily the Bolshevik / Communist Jews that were targets of Germany's National Socialist government.

    In other words, Jews who were targeted for persecution were targeted for being Bolshevik / Communist threats to the state, not persecuted simply because they were Jewish.

    If Jews were persecuted for simply being Jewish, they would not have been allowed to be high ranking Nazi Party members(2) or high ranking members of Germany's WW 2 military which contained 150,000 Jews.

    Many of Hitler's Jewish soldiers rose to the highest ranks and / or were awarded Germany's highest military honors with Hitler's full knowledge and approval.

    Finally, if Hitler hated all Jews and wished to purge Europe of them, he would not have befriended little Rosa Nienau who was Jewish(4)



    (1)Full text of "The Wolf Of The Kremlin biography of Kaganovich"
    https://archive.org/stream/TheWolfOfTheKremlin/The+Wolf+of+the+Kremlin_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “That Trotsky, unquestionably the most outstanding man among the

    Bolsheviks, was a Jew did not seem an insuperable obstacle in a party”

    in which the percentage of Jews, 52 percent, was rather high compared

    to the percentage of Jews (1.8 percent) in the total population.” CONTINUED


    (2) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED


    (3) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


    (4). "Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941

    EXCERPT "According to the auction website, Rosa and her mother had joined the crowds outside Hitler's Alpine retreat Berghof in 1933 on his birthday.

    It is thought that when he discovered Rosa had the same birthday, he invited Rosa and her mother Karoline up to the house - where these photographs were taken.

    Not long afterwards, it was discovered that Karoline's mother had been Jewish, making Rosa Jewish in the eyes of the Nazi state.

    Image captionHitler continued the friendship despite knowing her Jewish heritage

    But this did not dissuade Hitler from carrying on his friendship with girl, to whom he had sent a signed copy of the photograph.

    "The dear and [considerate?] Rosa Nienau Adolf Hitler Munich, the 16th June 1933," he wrote.

    Rosa, it appears, later added her own stamp to the photo, drawing flowers onto the black-and-white image.

    She would write to Hitler and his aide Wilhelm Bruckner on at least 17 occasions between 1935 and 1938, until she and her mother, a widow, were told to cut off contact by the Nazi leader's private secretary, Martin Bormann."CONTINUED
     
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    Don't go looking for exceptions to rules.
    Hitler didn't just hate Jews if they were Bolsheviks - he made it clear they were
    inferior ethnically, and a blight on the German landscape.
     
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    In reality, there was no industrialized, German mass murder agenda. That myth was fabricated by Allied propagandists and fraudulent, multi-billion dollar Holocaust Industry that is so dishonest that it even cheats holocaust survivors(1),(2).

    If an entity is so corrupt and dishonest that it cheats holocaust survivors, it is certainly corrupt enough to lie in extorting cash from governments around the world to fill the Western world with grisly theme parks with fake props to further deceive the gullible and professionally brainwashed.

    Please think for yourself for a moment.

    In order to prove a murder, you have to produce a body.

    In order to prove a murder of 6, 11 or 13 million, you need to produce 6, 11 or 13 million bodies however nowhere near 1 million bodies have been found either with detailed Air Photography(3) or actual digs on the ground(4), (5).

    People who actually believe the fraudulent holocaust narrative marketed by the corrupt, for-profit Holocaust Industry state that there are "mountains of documents" to support their claims however the reverse true.

    There is absolutely no valid document that outlines a genocidal German agenda ordered by Hitler(6)

    Another authentic document that debunks the Holocaust Industry's claim that 1.1 million people were murdered at Auschwitz is the actual Auschwitz death ledger itself(7) that states that the number of people who died of all causes (old age, disease, heart conditions etc) was actually 68,864.
    Incidentally, another authentic document states that there was only enough coke/coal delivered to Auschwitz to cremate about 69,000 people.

    So, in reality, there was no industrialized "... Holocaust killing machine", just a series of work camps in which the Germans responsible for the inmates were severely punished for abusing the inmates(8), (9)


    (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (3) "Air Photo Evidence"
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
    EXCERPTS
    "4.3. Babi Yar

    We may conclude with certainty that no part of the Babi Yar ravine was subjected to topographical changes of any magnitude during the war years right up to the Soviet reoccupation of the area. The vegetation in this valley was also not disturbed.[16] Hence, there can have been no mass graves in these locations, and the mass cremations attested to can also not have taken place at this time.

    Treblinka

    Mass graves for the alleged 700,000 to 1.2 million victims of this camp would have required 40 times as much space as the witnesses state was available. The ground in the camp area shows no traces of former building foundations, large mass graves or burning pits.

    The Bottom Line

    To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED


    (4). “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves." CONTINUED


    (5) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves"
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED


    (6) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (7) Deaths at Auschwitz, 1942
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/deaths_at_auschwitz_1942_v3.pdf

    More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz. That is the plain testimony of these Death Books.

    We Reject.... It has been averred that ‘Up to 175,000’ Jews were deported to Auschwitz by the end of 19427 . That is impossibly high, because less than forty percent of all inmates were Jewish: a figure of fifty or sixty thousand would be more reasonable. Likewise Mr Jan van Pelt averred that ‘In 1942, two hundred thousand Jews were gassed in buildings 1 and 2.’8 There cannot have been anything like such numbers arriving: and the Death Books have around onethirtieth that number of Jews die in that year! These texts tend to claim that huge numbers of Jews arrived without being registered (and were gassed right away), however we would rather stick to documented data.

    Grand Total: 68,864 deaths


    (8)Punishment of Germans, by Third Reich authorities, for mistreatment of Jews (1939-1945)
    https://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2002/06/punishment-of-germans-by-third-reich.html

    EXCERPT “The German army severely punished its own soldiers for crimes committed against the civilian population, including Jews.

    Examples are given, such as a case in the spring of 1944 occurring when a German anti-aircraft battery on its way to Budapest was held over and the soldiers stayed in a house belonging to Jews. Permission was granted to the men by the commander of the battery, a young sub-lieutenant, to confiscate various items from the house, including jewellery and radio sets. A Jewish woman who wanted to report this crime was killed. The sub-lieutenant was sentenced to death and executed for this crime, and several NCOs and service personnel received long prison terms.” CONTINUED


    (9) "THE FACT SPIELBERG SUPPRESSED IN SCHINDLER'S LIST: The Commandant of Krakau-Plaszow (Amon Goeth) Was Arrested by the SS for Brutality against Inmates"
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist6.html

    EXCERPT "This vital, exculpatory information has been censored by Spielberg in order to maintain his propaganda depiction of the German military in the worst possible light.

    The fact that the SS, under orders from Heinrich Himmler, attempted to operate the concentration camps (KZ) in a humane manner, in part by prosecuting, jailing and even executing brutal Nazi concentration camp personnel, has been nearly completely suppressed in much of the discussion of the history of World War Two.

    One of the key officers who was instrumental in Himmler's campaign to attempt to ensure the human rights of KZ inmates, was the heroic and incorruptible SS Judge Konrad Morgen."CONTINUED
     
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    I'm simply willing to think for myself and follow the facts wherever they lead.

    Based on those facts, I believe that Hitler's relationships with Jews, in general, was conflicted. He apparently feared and disliked malevolent Jewish bankers and Jewish Communists but also had Jewish friends while he trusted and admired Jews who were willing to fight for Germany.

    “5 Jews Hitler Actually Liked”
    https://historyofyesterday.com/5-jews-hitler-actually-liked-c702217e1aa5

    EXCERPT “Surprisingly, during this time in his life, Hitler also had extremely good relationships with Jewish people. At his house in Vienna, almost all of his friends were Jewish, with Josef Neumann being the closest.

    And when Hitler took over Germany, he spared some of his old Jewish friends, kept some in his party, and even formed new friendships.” CONTINUED


    “When Hitler Honored Jewish Soldiers”
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-when-hitler-honored-jewish-soldiers-1.5254336

    EXCERPT “The Nazi regime conferred honors on many of the 100,000 Jews who fought in the German army in the Great War, even on some who had already escaped to Palestine.” CONTINUED
     
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    I ran across two other facts that underscore the complexity of Hitler's sentiments towards Jews. I believe I already told you about Rosa Nienau.
    Hitler never forgot the generous Jewish doctor who worked hard to save his mother's life and resented not being allowed to continue his friendship with little, Jewish Rosa Nienau (3). It's almost as if he, too, was a captive of the widespread anti Jewish sentiment that plagued Europe and Stalin's Soviet Russia(4).

    1. “When Hitler Honored Jewish Soldiers”
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-when-hitler-honored-jewish-soldiers-1.5254336

    EXCERPT “The Nazi regime conferred honors on many of the 100,000 Jews who fought in the German army in the Great War, even on some who had already escaped to Palestine.” CONTINUED


    2. “5 Jews Hitler Actually Liked”
    https://historyofyesterday.com/5-jews-hitler-actually-liked-c702217e1aa5

    EXCERPT “Surprisingly, during this time in his life, Hitler also had extremely good relationships with Jewish people. At his house in Vienna, almost all of his friends were Jewish, with Josef Neumann being the closest.

    And when Hitler took over Germany, he spared some of his old Jewish friends, kept some in his party, and even formed new friendships.” CONTINUED


    3. "Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941

    EXCERPT "According to the auction website, Rosa and her mother had joined the crowds outside Hitler's Alpine retreat Berghof in 1933 on his birthday.

    It is thought that when he discovered Rosa had the same birthday, he invited Rosa and her mother Karoline up to the house - where these photographs were taken.

    Not long afterwards, it was discovered that Karoline's mother had been Jewish, making Rosa Jewish in the eyes of the Nazi state.



    Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES

    Image captionHitler continued the friendship despite knowing her Jewish heritage

    But this did not dissuade Hitler from carrying on his friendship with girl, to whom he had sent a signed copy of the photograph.

    "The dear and [considerate?] Rosa Nienau Adolf Hitler Munich, the 16th June 1933," he wrote.

    Rosa, it appears, later added her own stamp to the photo, drawing flowers onto the black-and-white image.

    She would write to Hitler and his aide Wilhelm Bruckner on at least 17 occasions between 1935 and 1938, until she and her mother, a widow, were told to cut off contact by the Nazi leader's private secretary, Martin Bormann."CONTINUED


    4. "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’"

    "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust"
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/

    EXCERPT "A US State Department report from May 15, 1946, found “evidence that Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland.

    The declassified report was distributed Thursday by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the same day that a Polish law making it a crime to accuse the Polish nation of Nazi-era atrocities took effect. Also Thursday, senior Israeli and Polish diplomats met in Jerusalem in a bid to resolve differences over the law." CONTINUED
     
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    About 2/3 of the European Jews were murdered by the Nazis. Many of them are on the Reichsbahn's transport lists to the extermination camps. Almost all of these lists have been preserved.
     
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    Only problem is prior to that, he essentially prevented them from leaving so it would be hard to argue it was unintentional and a option of last convenience.

    Anyway, my only problem with the Holocaust narrative is that it totally disregards any meaningful discussion of the non-Jewish "undesirables" which totaled in the millions as well.
     
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    Jews were the largest group of Nazis victims and Zionists well know how to exploit this fact. :(
     
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    Russian non-jews were the largest group of Nazis victims and Zionist well know how to hide this fact.
     
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    Nazis killed Russians on the battlefield, less so in death camps.

    There's nothing to hide. WW2 history is mostly understood.
     
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    If that is your standard, then you need to cut the number of jews in half as half of the 6 million claimed are the 3M that died in the Russian battlefields and streets, not in death camps.
     
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    In fact, almost half of the Jewish Nazi victims died in the extermination camps. Another large crowd was shot dead by mobile killing squads.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_by_Bullets
     
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    So you verified that the number that meets your new and improved metric of "death camp" is 3 M jews instead of 6. I guess that is progress.
     
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    I'm on Amtrak's transport list yet I'm still alive.

    Transport lists are all that the fraudulent Holocaust Industry has as proof that millions were murdered yet countless Germans were executed in Soviet style show trials that Eisenhower's more ethical brother called a "...black mark on the history of the world..."

    There is absolutely no hard evidence to prove that the people shuttled from camp to camp were executed except for transport lists.
    That sort of "evidence" for murder would be laughed out of any honest courtroom except for the USSR.

    I was able to produce sources that relate hard evidence that there were not millions buried in mass graves as claimed in holocaust mythology in my Post # 2013 yet you continue to make the same unsupported false statements.

    As I mentioned earlier, the crude cremations like the ones done at Auschwitz would have left mountains of ash, bones, teeth, clinker etc if 1.1 million had been cremated.

    Where are all the bodies?


    (1) "Air Photo Evidence"
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
    EXCERPTS
    "4.3. Babi Yar

    We may conclude with certainty that no part of the Babi Yar ravine was subjected to topographical changes of any magnitude during the war years right up to the Soviet reoccupation of the area. The vegetation in this valley was also not disturbed.[16] Hence, there can have been no mass graves in these locations, and the mass cremations attested to can also not have taken place at this time.

    Treblinka

    Mass graves for the alleged 700,000 to 1.2 million victims of this camp would have required 40 times as much space as the witnesses state was available. The ground in the camp area shows no traces of former building foundations, large mass graves or burning pits.

    The Bottom Line

    To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED


    (2). “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves." CONTINUED


    (3) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves"
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED
     
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    You overlook the fact that there were never Nazis in the US who ran gas chambers.

    Burned or buried. Today there are not many remains to be found. The nazis tried very hard to let the traces disappear. But there are still some left ...
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363
     
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    Nearly 6 M is the total number of Holocaust victims. Those killed with poison gas were about 3 M. The rest were killed by other means eg. by bullets. :(
     
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    Re:
    You're in denial over the fact that "homicidal gas chambers"(1) , "homicidal electrocution chambers"(2) the "homicidal vaporizer"(3) and "homicidal steam chambers" were all simply part of Allied propaganda myths to demonize & demoralize the Germans.

    In fact, a Major Miller ordered that any former inmate who claimed nonsense about "homicidal gas chambers" was to be arrested and charged with perjury(4).

    Re:
    I believe that you have claimed in the past that Germany's National Socialists murdered about 13 million people but as I've repeatedly shown, there is nowhere near a fraction of those remains to be found (5), (6), (7) nor is there any evidence that they attempted two keep those remains secret:
    " Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret."(5)

    Finally, the Holocaust Industry has swamped us with fake and/or altered photos from anywhere and everywhere.(8)



    (1) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.



    (2) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (3) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


    (4) “The Holocaust Myth”
    http://www.searchforthetruth.co.uk/holocaust

    EXCERPT “Major Miller of the Allied Military Police HQ in Vienna signed memo/order #31/48 on Oct. 1, 1948 declaring that since the Allied Commissions of Inquiry had established that no one in the 12 German concentration camps was killed by poison gas, that any former inmate maintaining otherwise was to be arrested and charged with perjury.” CONTINUED


    (5) "Air Photo Evidence"
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
    EXCERPTS
    "4.3. Babi Yar

    We may conclude with certainty that no part of the Babi Yar ravine was subjected to topographical changes of any magnitude during the war years right up to the Soviet reoccupation of the area. The vegetation in this valley was also not disturbed.[16] Hence, there can have been no mass graves in these locations, and the mass cremations attested to can also not have taken place at this time.

    Treblinka

    Mass graves for the alleged 700,000 to 1.2 million victims of this camp would have required 40 times as much space as the witnesses state was available. The ground in the camp area shows no traces of former building foundations, large mass graves or burning pits.

    The Bottom Line

    To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED


    (6). “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves." CONTINUED


    (7) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves"
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED


    (8) "Zionists Fake Holocaust Cremation Deaths Using 35 Year-Old Train Wreck Images"
    https://nodisinfo.com/zionists-holocaust-cremation-deaths-ohio-train-wreck-images/


    EXCERPT "So, it is that there is not only no evidence for it, but in fact, there is evidence fully against it, proving it to be a lie. Here is the proof of the fake, the star imagery of the dog and pony show, the supposed open-pit cremation of naked, dead Jews. There were no Jews there. This is a fake. The corpses were put in artificially. The image has nothing to do with the war or post-war period. It’s not even from Germany but rather from the United States"CONTINUED
     
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    Which illustrates my point. The 6 M is the estimate of the number of jews who died in the holocaust, not the total number of holocaust victims. That number is 11-13M depending on whose estimate one wants to use.
     
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    You're right. Many Russian POWs, Gypsies, and others were also among the Nazi victims. :(
     

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